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Those numbers aren't really good, though. They are the averages of applicants coming from UC Berkeley to many law schools across the nation. In every case they appear to be higher than the averages for those law schools. Berkeley is a top-notch schools, so that their accepted applicants are at the top of the pile is hardly surprising.

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Law School Admissions / cooley bound?
« on: October 23, 2005, 04:46:17 AM »
So I have a 3.67 (3.0-3.5 first year, 3.8-3.9 last three years) and a 167 LSAT. Strong ECs. What T14s do I bother looking at?

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Law School Admissions / Re: Yet another chances thread
« on: October 22, 2005, 06:09:55 PM »
Come on guys. I only have a few hours before I open up this bottle of grey goose i picked up today.

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Law School Admissions / Yet another chances thread
« on: October 22, 2005, 01:31:30 AM »
I guess i'll have to be an obnoxious lingering poster after I get in somewhere to repay my debt.

I did OK, and came out of October with a 167. I have a 3.66 GPA at a top 10 liberal arts college.

This sort of points me towards the 15-20 range of schools. My score range makes me feel like I don't have a lock on my first choices. I'd really, really like to go to Boalt. I wouldn't think that would be happening with my scores. But I was hoping I could get some perspective on where to apply. I know how little ECs count, so I spent a disproportionate amount of time writing on them. I feel like my app is so in the fuzzy middle, though, that they might actually tip things either way:

1) GPA: Low at 3.66, but I got mono my first semester and came out with a 3.0. Then a 3.63, and since then it's been hovering around 3.88. Is the mono worth noting? Obviously adcomms will notice this, but how much will they care? Should I be looking at schools with a mediuan GPA that puts my overall UGPA towards the bottom?

2) ECs: Everyone sort of vaguely describes their ECs as 'strong', 'moderate', or '90-lb weakling'. Makes me want to take my ECs to BALCO or something...What's the rationale for the strong vs. the weak in ECs? There's so much capacity for self-delusion here. Plus, given the strength of the applicant pool, everyone is going to be really strong, and strength is definately relative.

I've been doing up to 30 hrs/wk of EC + Jobs: one job, one educational outreach program i'm now the assistant director of, competitive debate, student gov't/college dems. The summers, though, are probably underwhelming: got stuck in my old HS job after frosh year, sophomore year I worked at my regular job at school and moonlit as a research assistant for my prof and taught at a debate camp, and last year was my best, in that I went to europe and interned writing some educational material on a parallel outreach project.

I'm worried that my lost summer is going to hurt me relative to others.
I have to think everyone ends up with ridiculous titles for their volunteer/employment position with the resume culture we have, so i'm unclear how to distinguish myself.

3) LSAT: 167. 'Nuff said.

4) LORS: One really good one, one good one.

So is this a realistic assessment of my chances?

Reaches:
S/C/NYU/Boalt/Georgetown

Even odds:
UCLA/V/USC/GW

Good Expectations:
Fordham/Hastings


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I never did anything but take timed practice tests and work on LG strategy. Predicatbly, when I got my 167, I got 3 wrong on the RC, 2 on the LG, but a total of 7 wrong between the other two sections. Had I spread myself more evenly, I wonder if I could have gotten a mid-170s..

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Statistics: LSAT score by major (MUST SEE)
« on: October 21, 2005, 05:24:29 PM »
A) Economics has plenty of math, if you're at the right schools. If something mathy about math majors explains their success, the econ major thing picks it up too.

B) Economics majors can be highly motivated professional liberal arts types that have less brain-dead students than 'business' majors might be.

C) Economics has lots of analysis of causation, critical thinking and problem solving to it. (I am not an econ major, but I respect the classes i've taken and the majors I know.)

D) The skills that make people good at the LSAT are critical thinking and analytical skills. Special pre-law classes may or may not make you a better lawyer. The LSAT doesn't evaluate your ability to be a lawyer. If they're just different constellations of polisci, whatever classes, then it's probably self-selecting in that the people who most want to be a lawyer don't always do the best on these general tests.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Pseudoprestigethread
« on: October 19, 2005, 12:30:27 PM »
So..
Still in ulcerating condition about October LSAT scores. My likely figures are going to make any T14 a reach. Higher teens will likely be a realistic possibility. This has raised a question for me: some people really, really, really want to be lawyers and will go to Cooley to do so. I'm not that guy.

I want to do interesting + challenging + meaningful work and think law school  would be an excellent platform for those things. There will be easier and more preferable ways to do this if I can't get into a good enough law school.

The question, though, is what is 'good enough'? Is the sharp drop of national/cool local employability at t14? t25? tier 1?

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Law School Admissions / Too Late
« on: October 14, 2005, 08:59:09 PM »
Oy. I've been lurking since I took the October LSAT. Thanks to everyone here. you guys've definately kept me more neurotic than I would have been, but there's some solace to be had in watching everyone else suffer, too.

So, as I compile my applications, I'm wondering: is it too late to apply if my apps aren't going to get sent out till the last week of October? I know everyone says they accept applications till the end of January, but is that really true? Am I screwing myself by waiting this long?

thanks much,
drew

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