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Yeah, I don't completely get what the fuss is about attrition rates either.  I mean 20 years ago there were attrition rates like that at almost every law school in the country.

General Board / Re: No Ticket No Exam ?!
« on: July 09, 2008, 10:21:16 PM »
I think this is my favorite thread ever.

General Board / Re: No Ticket No Exam ?!
« on: July 09, 2008, 06:30:52 PM »
well, is it that complicated to bring a ticket with you?  There's the easy solution to your problem.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Transferring?
« on: July 09, 2008, 02:04:43 PM »
In general, no, they don't care what your LSAT was, provided your class rank is good.

Another example of the bad information you'll get on this site. This post is 100% specious. This poster has never been in admissions office. This poster has probably never filled out a transfer application. And yet, this poster was compelled to toss something that seems correct out there to, you know, muddy the waters.

Actually, he is correct and you can confirm that by looking at various law school websites.  I personally know because I've gotten into several top 10 law schools with a horrible undergrad gpa and a horrible lsat.  If you want further confirmation of this take a look through transferapps database.

Hmmm, well I would transfer if I were you and to which school I don't think it really matters.  I was in your situation a couple of weeks ago and asked everybody I knew their opinion on Boalt vs. Columbia or NYU.  Every person I talked to (attorney's from Partners at V10 firms to associates to solo attorney's) said the same thing to just go to which ever school you would like the most.  You aren't giving up any opportunities by going to Boalt over Columbia or NYU over Boalt and what not.  Everybody also said transfer.  10 years from now nobody will ever ask you what your law school grades are but they will ask where you went to law school. (And of course look at your performance as a lawyer as well.) 

However, most of them did say that if you know for sure that you want to be in New York then Columbia might be slightly better but not much simply because of the connections that it has with the city.  Same was said about Boalt in California.  All pretty common sense pieces of advice but it was reassuring to hear.

I chose Boalt because (1) I already have an offer from a New York V50 firm so I don't have to worry about that market but I still have an interest in California and Boalt will help out with that (2) California weather is better (3) Boalt is noticeably cheaper than any of the other schools because of in state tuition after the first year and the cost of living is a little less (4)skiing nearby (5) I simply will enjoy the quality of life at Boalt more so than a school in NYC.

Sorry for rambling on but this is the information that I have.

That is what I have found as well.  For our move to California it would cost around 1900 dollars just to rent the truck and a car carrier.  Plus gas that would have to be close to 3000 bucks.  On the other hand we could get full service movers to do it for about 2200.  Even still that is a bunch of money to move our crap across the country so we just are renting a UHaul trailer and pulling it behind our car and selling off what won't fit.

General Board / Re: Why I think 2L might be more important than 1L.
« on: July 08, 2008, 03:02:35 PM »
I'm not entirely sure of the point that you are trying to make.  Check out this chart and it will show you the difference between various schools.

I haven't heard of too many Harvard law students complaining about their debt payments or job prospects.  Pace on the other hand, well that speaks for itself.  Also, being a T3 next to NYC is definitely not a plus.  You compete against the top schools and students in the country plus there are some other really good NY schools as well such as Brooklyn.  That is definitely not an envious position to be in.  (I'm not knocking Pace it's just be a little more realistic about your statements.)

I'm pretty sure 1L was more important for me as well.  Busted my butt finished at top of my 1L class was accepted to Boalt as a transfer and already have a V50 firm job lined up for next summer.  Every attorney I've ever talked to has said that 1L is the most important year by far and until you I have never heard anything different.  Now if you don't do well your 1L year then sure your 2L and 3L years are going to be very important because employer's are going to be closely looking at those as well.

Also, I don't know about other people but we're in law school to learn.  I don't care whether its 1L, 2L, or 3L I am still going to be trying my best to learn the information and get a solid understanding of certain fundamentals.  That is what law school is for.

Just out of curiousity, how is the bolded portion above possible?  Unless you have some sort of connection...which kind of defeats your argument about it being grades/name-brand school that got you the job.  Not to criticize, I envy you in either scenario  :)

Oh well I don't know what point I was trying to make but I did have a connection and the firm didn't hire 1L's.  They went ahead and interviewed my back in March or so for a position as a 2L.  It's nice because I don't have to worry about much this summer because I have my dream job already lined up.  Anyways, hope that answers your question. 

Oh and I don't think it changes the fact that grades got me the interview.  I wouldn't have had much help from the connection or what not if my grades weren't tip top.  I do know though that coming from the school I did even with my grades I wouldn't have had much of a chance without the connection. 

General Board / Re: Why I think 2L might be more important than 1L.
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:39:43 PM »
And yet they still get those jobs even with a wide pool of students.  That should tell you something.

This subject is getting kind of pointless.  I just don't see what the point is comparing Pace to Harvard.  They aren't in the same league.  Come on.

General Board / Re: Why I think 2L might be more important than 1L.
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:26:46 PM »
Well usually people at Harvard Law School aren't the worst of students.  Most of them have done something in their life to get them there.

General Board / Re: Why I think 2L might be more important than 1L.
« on: July 08, 2008, 02:07:35 PM »
 YOu posted this It's ridiculous, because $155-$170K in debt out of Harvard is the same as $155-$170K out of Pace. Removed from the top of the class at each (Pace gets Vault 50 placements in our top 5%), it'll be a struggle those first few years for both populations, whether we're talking LRAP gigs or $80-$100K entry-level firm jobs

I said you are comparing not being at the top of your Harvard clas to not being the top of your class at Pace.  I don't see how you can make that comparison.  It's mind boggling that one is even trying to draw a comparison.  Oh well

For example, median Harvard grad makes $135K and median Pace grad makes $65K.  (old data might be higher now I don't know.)  How are those two figures comparable will each student is going to feel their debt payments the same?  Doesn't make sense to me.

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