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General Board / Re: Too many law schools/students/lawyers?
« on: April 08, 2008, 04:01:23 PM »
Hey...

all this discussion about TTT got me thinking... do we have too many law peoples... can the demand for lawyers keep up with supply? 

I have no idea... I just would like to know what everyone else believes / has researched.

The closer I get the start of law school the more and more I wonder if it is worth it... if I will be able to get employed not die poor and miserable etc.

In addition I hear talk of law schools fudging with the their numbers.  How are they doing this... are there any examples?   

If it makes you feel any better, I am about to finish my 1L and still worry a lot about those things, especially since I go to an ok ranked law school (108 on US News, but up from 116 the year before) but by no means a Harvard or Yale... but I think ultimately we have to figure that it all comes down to whether you like the law; not whether you like law school (because many people hate it) but whether you like the law itself... I mean lets face it, regardless of salary coming out, if we have made it to law school, it means we will probably making at least average incomes without even having earned a degree yet just by way of our undergrad degrees etc. As far as beyond that, the loans suck but just a cost of it i guess

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General Board / Re: JD/MBA benefit analysis
« on: April 07, 2008, 05:29:47 PM »
I have a question too... how hard is an MBA compared to a JD? I signed up for the JD/MBA at my school and wondering how hard the MBA classes will be

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General Board / Re: Recommended classes
« on: March 24, 2008, 04:41:09 PM »
Turns out I'll probably have to revise my schedule based on money issues (its cheaper to take 9 law credits and 6 business every semester than to take 12 and 3, etc...)

but as far as the health care compliance thing, if I am doing a few health law classes, there is no need to take a class on medical malpractice right?i imagine they would cover a lot in some of the health classes?

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General Board / Re: Recommended classes
« on: March 23, 2008, 10:37:17 PM »
Thanks Jacy, Raven and Nota
as far as trusts and estates stuff, do you feel like that one class would be enough preparation to help form basic wills someday or is it not enough and I should really try to fit in estate tax and estate planning (tax a pre-req)?
I know its not the same but we went over some estate stuff in property and it seems pretty straight forward for the most part anyways (once you get past the weird historically based terminology)

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General Board / Recommended classes
« on: March 21, 2008, 11:04:18 PM »
I am in the process of figuring out which classes to take for next year (my 2L year)
The school has these core classes: Income tax, administrative law, trusts and estates, evidence, commercial law, and business organizations which they require you to take 4 of (one of which must be tax or commercial) and recommend all 6. I am getting a joint degree with an MBA so am technically on the 4 year plan

I am hoping to work for a firm for a while primarily doing business law but then at some point open up my own office which while having a largely business focus but will take a few other cases now and then (torts, family, etc.) basically general law but with more of a focus on business cases (especially contract issues).

In light of this, which courses would you recommend? I am thinking of trying to keep them mostly business related but if I take one family law class or one medical malpractice at some point--- would that look bad to firms specializing in business law? I am thinking i should take all 6 of the core classes... is that a good idea?

I am thinking of taking for the fall:

Advanced Contracts ("multi-party contracts" mostly-third party beneficiaries, assignment and
delegation, suretyship, negotiability, ius tertii, fraudulent transfer, voidable
preference, security interests, bona fide purchaser, subordination agreement, pure and “pledgeable”
intangibles, and letters of credit.)
Evidence
2 MBA classes
Trusts and Estates


and for the spring:

business organizations
commercial law
an MBA accounting class (hoping it will also help me with Fed. Income Tax the following fall since I have heard horror stories about that class)
Law and Economics (mostly because it is a huge interest of mine--- is it really just a waste though since it is more philosophical/jurisprudential rather than some classes which seem more clearly substantive?)

Professional Responsibility (required)

any other classes I should consider for the future? should I consider taking IP even though I do not want to be a patent lawyer etc.? I also heard Criminal Procedure is on the bar and it is not required here; there are two upper level classes on it instead; should i take either of them or both, even though I have no desire to be a criminal attorney (save perhaps for white collar defense but there are no white collar crime classes available)?

I am also considering my school's health care compliance certificate since with the JD and MBA it would only be 2 classes extra. I hear it is something very helpful to have particularly with the recent debates on universal health care whether through the govt. directly or the govt. forcing employers to pay their employee insurance bills. I would have to take two health law classes that would count toward both the certificate and the JD... is it a good idea?

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General Board / Happy Lawyers?
« on: January 23, 2008, 11:01:22 PM »
I must apologixe for my previous posts... I was just angry and depressed and said those awful fictious statements as a reflection of those feelings. I never was serious nor intended to do such things nor intend to ever do so such things. I apologize to anyone who was offended or hurt by those statements. It was not my intention to do so but instead were a reflection of a momentary case of the common 1L blues expressed in an inappropriate way.

Essentially though my question now is to those who have graduated from law school and practiced law. I am fascinated by what we are learning, especially Contracts, Property and Constitutional, but even Civil Procedure (in how something as seemingly simple as the decision made in Erie v. Tompkins spawns subsequent cases which are difficult issues for the court to examine) and legal skills (especially the oral arguments aspect). Further, I have no problems with any of my law professors. All seem pretty nice, with the possible exception of one who I will never have again. I am also interest in trying to apply what we learn to fact patterns.

However, law school overall is not fun or enjoyable. I don't mind the work but just the excessive competition (mind you normal levels are fine) and stress all to only have it amount to one 2-3 hour test which is in most cases worth the entire course grade. How can I reconcile the fact that I am fascinated with law with the fact I don't really like being a law student? Is it better once law school is over and you are in practice? Anyone here who loves practicing law but didn't really love being a law student?

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General Board / Re: Grades?
« on: January 22, 2008, 11:16:10 AM »
So I ended up getting an A- in my 4 credit torts class, so the only "real" grades I have for the fall are the 4 credit A-, the 3 credit C+ and the 2 credit B-, which averages out to a 3.0.... not great but not as bad as I had expected; any idea where this would be as far as class rank when the curve is somewhere between a B- and a C+?
 

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Quinnipiac has one too... granted I haven't taken it yet since I am only a 1L but I hope to at some point... not 100% sure I want to start my own practice but I figure its never a bad thing to learn up on in case I decide to open one at some point (one of the many possible ideas in the back of my mind)

Law Office Management
This course stresses the ethical implications of sound law practice management. The course will
cover such topics as general management principles applied to the law office, client relations, fee
agreements, docket control and conflicts of interest, malpractice insurance and risk management,
timekeeping and billing, personnel management, the law office library and equipment. (2 credits)

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Socratic Method / Re: My teacher asks questions
« on: January 15, 2008, 12:41:39 PM »
My Professor asks alot of questions in class, is that normal.
If I were you, I'd be scared if he didn't ask questions

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Help w/ K
« on: January 15, 2008, 12:00:19 PM »
I know this doesn't really answer your question but have you looked into obtaining the E&E for Contracts? My professor was very much like how yours sounds but thanks to that book I got an A on the fall exam and am understanding things much better now.... its not the greatest book in the world but it definately helped me look past how needlessly complicated my professor tried to make the course

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