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General Board / Re: getting f's in law school...
« on: December 19, 2008, 01:25:16 AM »
Wait until you get your grades.  Especially in the upperclass years, plenty of law students don't read and still pass their courses.  If you recited some material from something you may have heard in class that had something at least tangentially to do with the questions, I bet you'll get a C (or a freakin' B- at some schools, trust me).  Throw some Latin in there and you are up in the B/B+ range.  ;-

It really is all about the professors... I am pretty amazed reading above about a T1 prof failing a student in the final year, I think the general consensus is that the law school "fail" is somewhere in the C- or C range.  I've heard differently if we're talking about T4, but again I guess it really is all about the professors.  I suppose ethically if you really hand in an exam with nothing on it that relates to the topic, an ethical professor at any school should fail you in the course.

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General Board / Re: International Law
« on: December 19, 2008, 01:22:53 AM »
There is always the option of taking "human rights"-y cases in various forums as a lawyer in private practice.  These guys came up on Google: http://www.zhlaw.com/profiles.html

The founding partner went to Cal Western (T4) and the other has a JD from Hawaii, so it's not like school name is everything.  Going this route though, obviously you have to pay your bills by doing something else.  Looks like they mostly do employment law.

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General Board / Re: International Law
« on: December 18, 2008, 10:33:46 PM »
"International law" in the purest sense, public international law at the ICJ, is as competitive as it gets.  You may only apply for an ICJ clerkship after graduation if you attend one of a few select US law schools - I know NYU and UVA have been invited to apply, unsure of others.  Likewise, take any handful of attorneys at the Office of Legal Advisor at our Department of State and you will see T14 graduates in the heavy majority.

Just adding this bit of depressing news because, like all 0L's, the advice "go to the best school you can get into" still applies.

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General Board / Re: Feeling sick after an exam...
« on: December 09, 2008, 08:14:17 PM »
The good news -- At most law schools, as long as you put some things vaguely related to the course down on the paper you will not 'Fail' as in receive a grade of F.

The bad news -- If that's how you feel about the exam, you are likely correct that you didn't do well.

The really bad news -- If you're at certain T4 law schools, SOMEONE MUST FAIL OUT !!!!!!!1111111111111

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General Board / Re: Interesting Courses v. Bar-Preparation Courses
« on: November 29, 2008, 05:00:24 PM »
I asked every OCI recruiter this question (which upperclass courses they would like to see), almost uniformly they said none required UNLESS you are claiming to be an expert or have a burning interest in x.  If that's the case, take some courses along those lines.

A minority of recruiters (read: one) said that she expected entry-level business lawyers to have at a minimum Corporations, Tax, Secured Transactions....

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I work for FedGov.  Most attorney jobs hit GS-13/14 within a few years.  Not most jobs.  I assume you are talking about the 'step increase,' which is automatically one per year.  Each GS grade has several steps.  The automatic step increase would take you from G-9, step 1 to GS-9, step 2 in one year -- not GS-9 to GS-10.

Also, Bush converted a lot of federal employees into the pay-for-performance system which doesn't have automatic raises like GS.  Maybe they'll get some change they can believe in.

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General Board / Re: job prospects tier 2
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:16:44 AM »
It is scary, and it doesn't help that schools are downright unethical about how they market their JD programs.

"Law school name might help if you want to be on the Supreme Court, but otherwise a JD is a JD."  -- paraphrased from a Cooley admissions video when I was doing my admissions search.

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General Board / Re: job prospects tier 2
« on: November 17, 2008, 12:11:52 AM »
The truth is that graduates of lower-ranked schools need to be much more entrepreneurial and have certain doors closed to them, but that doesn't mean they're on the bread line just yet. 

That doesn't mean you're stuck to waiting tables / claiming bankruptcy.  Point in fact, there are plenty of Widener graduates (basically an open-admissions law school, flame me all you want for that characterization) making very decent money in the Philly / Wilmington market. 

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Yes.  I was lucky enough to transfer T3 to T14, but didn't enjoy that experience at all and wouldn't wish the accompanying stress on anyone.

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General Board / Re: JAG - Info wanted!
« on: October 15, 2008, 08:07:24 PM »
If the subtext is a security concern re: Iraq and Afghanistan, I am pretty sure (AND MAY BE WRONG, please correct me) that JAG has not suffered anywhere near the human cost that the combat-forward forces have.

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