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Current Law Students / Hospitality Suite Etiquette
« on: August 23, 2009, 11:09:57 AM »
Good grades at a good school, didn't do well in OCI bidding and want to get more interviews.

Someone tell me how resume spamming the hospitality suite works?  Walk in, chat up someone and explain you didn't get an interview + offer your resume?  Yes, I'm a social retard (sort of).

Current Law Students / Re: Cuz I'm Curious
« on: August 21, 2009, 10:56:06 AM »
Good news:

Firms still want a diversity of schools represented, so if you've done well at a reasonably well-ranked school you are fine.  The kids who are screwed are those who have average grades at a great school, who in any other economy would have a great selection of jobs.

As for T3/T4, my prediction is employed rates will be way off and many will be shutting their doors in a few years.  We can't take this many lawyers (we've known that for a while), and now reality is hitting hard.  I mean seriously, JAG Corps is competitive this year.

Current Law Students / Re: Cuz I'm Curious
« on: August 18, 2009, 10:55:03 PM »
Bad grades from anywhere aren't fun, but I'd rather be in the bottom of the barrel at the T10 than summa cum laude at some law schools.  Top law schools give you institutional recruitment programs and connections, such as but not limited to on-campus recruiting, that really can't be beat.

And, if an employer likes you, you will just be Joe T10, Esq. with a JD without honors.  No one will ever know...

Fair?  No. See also Life (same).

Bottom line: go to the best school you can get into and, once there, do the best that you can.

Current Law Students / Re: Admission to SCOTUS??
« on: August 17, 2009, 07:52:36 PM »  htfh

It's a sponsorship club, gotta know people.  Like any other court ever, you don't have to be involved in a case.  It might have been prestigious once but now certain TTT schools have their Deans sponsor whoever wants membership.

Current Law Students / Re: Average number of OCI interviews?
« on: August 17, 2009, 01:57:32 PM »
Yes, but I've been reading too much autoadmit so I'm starting to think that top 5% at my T14 (lower end of T14) means out of luck in this economy.

Current Law Students / Re: Interview tips?
« on: August 16, 2009, 07:43:36 PM »
hahahah if I ever make it to the other side of the table I am ABSOLUTELY going to count the lawyers from a brochure if ever asked that.  Comedy platinum.

Current Law Students / Average number of OCI interviews?
« on: August 16, 2009, 03:57:30 PM »
What's the average number of interviews you're likely to get at OCI at most law schools?  T14?

Top 5% at T14, secondary journal, made a bit of an error in focusing my bidding on (mostly) very competitive firms and I only have 10 interviews.  Most of those are "reach" firms for ANYONE.  A couple firms that would traditionally be considered "safety," but I think that is an oxymoron ITE. 

How destroyed am I? 

Transferring / Re: Transfer students and OCI
« on: August 16, 2009, 03:53:47 PM »
OCI will be rough for EVERYONE this year -- I'm at a T14 and we are dropping firms left and right.  Many who aren't dropping might just be showing up to save face and not planning on hiring from our school.

What advice are you looking for?  Yes, targeted writing is good.  You should also target the public sector simultaneously.  There are no "backup plans" or "surefire" things.  At least you're not at the T3, where many of your former classmates will not be finding legal employment.

Transferring / Re: FT student accepted GULC PT
« on: August 11, 2009, 08:52:58 PM »
Some thoughts...

(1) GULC PT has worked to create basically an internal job market in and around DC of select positions that want to hire GULC PT students.  Many of these jobs pay $50k or more, meaning more than you might otherwise make after you graduate with a Tier 3 or Tier 4 law degree.

(2) Even assuming there is a "stigma" insofar as snobbery of certain full-time students, who cares?  If employers don't care, you shouldn't either.

(3) The PT choice affects your life for an extra year, whereas the GULC choice affects your professional life forever.

(4) PT at GULC is not an add-on created to appease working people.  It's the original point of the school, to educate the "men of the government," and the full-time program is the afterthought.

(5) Assuming no scholarship and no personal funding to pay for your own expenses in DC, PT is certainly the better option financially.

Just my tuppence.  I think there certainly should be a stigma attached to any 22-year-old who is not working at all and effectively gaming the system, but those who are working while keeping up the course load, journal and sometimes even a clinic should certainly be respected at least as much as any other GULC student.

Current Law Students / Re: Good Starting Salary
« on: June 24, 2009, 05:05:45 PM »
I haven't snooped around in their bank accounts, but I can plead based on information and belief that plenty of small or mid-size suburban law firms will put you in this range.  Firms that were passed down from another generation but haven't grown more than 10 or 20 lawyers.  Looking at these guys and gals walk around town I don't think they make $35-45k.  ;-)

Of course, these jobs might be just as competitive as BIGLAW in some circumstances.

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