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As historic and surprising as nominating an African-American in 2008 is, it (perhaps merely by coincidence) is also totally in line with law school rank-orthodoxy of the top Democratic candidates.  A law school rank-snob, looking at credentials without names attached, would've chosen Obama from the start.  From bottom to top:

Mike Gravel - BS Economics
Dennis Kucinich - MA from Case Western
Chris Dodd - Louisville Law Grad
Joe Biden - Very smart Syracuse Law Grad.
Bill Richardson - Very smart with no law school credential (MALD from Tufts).
John Edwards - UNC Law, respectable showing.
Hillary Clinton - Yale Law, almost got all the way.
Barack Obama - Editor of Harvard Law Review, clinches the nomination.

I'm not suggesting it's anything more than coincidence, but I do think the Democratic nomination was a little more academic credential-focused than its Republican counterpart.

N.B. Richardson is the only one who manages to outperform law-snob expectations (beating some non-top law graduates with the Tufts MALD).

Just interesting to see how 'rankism' and credentials play out at the highest level, even if anecdotally.

Transferring / Wait for official transcript?
« on: May 30, 2008, 04:59:43 PM »
Unofficial trans is available... should I send that or wait for the official?  :)

Current Law Students / When you think you can't do this...
« on: May 06, 2008, 02:06:07 PM »
Just remember, idiots like this guy are licensed attorneys defending death penalty cases in Florida. 

Click on the 'Jerone Hunter' and 'Stephen Smith' videos -- it's comedic only until you realize that people's lives really are on the line.  Point is, I (and you) can do this better than this guy.  Next time you think you won't cut it, just re-watch.

Job Search / FBI, CIA, State and other 'BigGov' 2L Gigs
« on: May 05, 2008, 11:19:24 PM »
Does anyone know if these are restricted to the elite law school kids or more flexible re: school name?  As competitive as BigLaw (I'm guessing they about are)?

First suit:  A v B and B impleads C.  B found liable to A, C found liable to B.

Second suit:  D v C, D asserts collateral estoppel of negligence (same issue) from Case 1.

But was C's negligence necessary to the judgment in the first case, thus forming a ground of nonmutual offensive CE?  It isn't necessary to the original action of A v B.  Obviously Parklane fairness factors would apply if we are applying CE here (it would be nonmutual offensive CE).  But do we apply CE at all?  Do some courts split on this?

Current Law Students / CivPro Q (Rule 20 Joinder & Supplemental)
« on: May 03, 2008, 09:54:47 AM »
Plaintiff (NY) sues Defendant (NJ) on $100k good diversity claim.  Later, plaintiff seeks to join Rule 20 defendant2 (CA) for $100k.

Do I say:

(A) This is good because of 1332 diversity jurisdiction?
(B) This is good because of 1367a supplemental jurisdiction?
(C) Both?


Current Law Students / Starting Over After 1L? At Worthless T3
« on: March 14, 2008, 12:30:02 PM »
Hey guys,

This may be motivated by a small bit of angst/hopelessness, but here it goes: top 10% of my T3 with no job offer (dozens of personalized applications sent), and as things are winding down it is becomign more and more likely that I will spend the first-year summer unemployed.  [I'm referring to both paid and unpaid 'employment.']

Looking at this, people graduating from my school and larger economic indicators, it's not clear to me if this third-tier law degree is even worth the time.  I went to a reasonably 'top' (but not Ivy) undergrad and it is incredible to see the difference in interest expressed, offers extended and deference given.  I had an interview earlier this week where the lady just clearly brought me in to spend an hour doing something at the office, not at all interested in me or taking my candidacy seriously.

Assuming I can't transfer, has anyone taken some time off, retaken the LSAT and started over with a better score at a better school?


PS - Bring the T3 flames on.  I didn't know any lawyers prior to this, am from a working-class family and didn't do enough research beforehand.

So I am little hesitant about dispatching cover letters/resumes to places like my state's ACLU, Prisoner Advocacy nonprofits, things such as this...

I agree with lots of what they say but I don't want to get pigeonholed into that sort of work for life.  Particularly concerned about implications for government work. 

Thoughts on how difficult it is to 'jump around' once taking a job/internship like that?

Transferring / How far does Top 10% at T3 Carry?
« on: January 29, 2008, 10:39:14 AM »
I am top 10% (and only 10%, literally nudging out a couple of people) at a T3.

How far would this carry me in Northeast/Mid-Atlantic?  I get the impression that 'quality of school' is a factor.  Georgetown's transfer page, for example, lists top 15% as a good indicator of success BUT the transferapps database makes it clear that this is not the case for T3/T4.  (Worth a shot anyway?)

If I can get in-state at Temple, is there any reason to apply anywhere else?  Thanks for indulging me.

Current Law Students / Why harsher curves at lower-ranked schools?
« on: January 12, 2008, 04:56:05 PM »
I'm sure this has been answered somewhere...

One thing I didn't investigate prior to 1L is the difference between curves at various schools... just curious, since it seems to me that many lower-ranked schools are adopting the 'toughest' grading curves.

Is this an admission that some within the class are not meant to be lawyers?  A strategy to revoke as many conditional scholarships as possible?  Thoughts?

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