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While some firms say either traditional mail or email is acceptable for applications, What do you guys think is better overall?

I still feel that traditional mail is more professional than an email.  ???

However, the nice thing about email is its instant and you dont have to worry about your application being lost in the mail.

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Like the last poster mentioned, having 10 years of work experience will likely be helpful, but it looks like you're somewhat ahead of the game in some other respects. You seem to have a lot of contacts at small firms, companies, a division of family court and potential contacts in a bunch of other areas you mentioned. You should get Guerilla Tactics for Getting the Legal Job of your Dream for tips on how to leverage these contacts and emphasize your posiitve qualities. OCI and reume drops may not pan out, but working with your employers and others will probably help you find what you're looking for. The real trick for most law students is making those contacts and reaching out to potential employers in the first place. You've got that covered.

Of course, this depends on what you mean by "respectable" firm. The big firms are probably still off limits, and $80k is pretty optimistic (though you do have significant work experience).

The debt is pretty bad, but the new IBR plan should make the payments reasonable (even if the compounding interest isn't) until you can make it big. (As long as it's public debt.)

Good luck

Can you elaborate on this IBR plan you speak of?

OP, goodluck to you brother.

I feel you're pain. As I am smack dab in the middle at a T4. The positive however, is the T4 has a good regional rep. I heard try picking classes that are setup in a way for you to succeed according to you're study habits and try to avoid professors known to be G.P.A killers.

In 1L, I got screwed. I got 3 professors known to be the hardest graders at the school. I was one of 7 students who was screwed having all three of these professors while most students had only one of them.

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General Board / Re: Fifth Tier Toilet
« on: July 12, 2008, 03:03:21 AM »
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Don't go to school in DC then. Tongue There are places where there are enough jobs for the graduates. Seriously I don't know anyone of my friends from my school w/o a job, gratned we are a mid sized market with two schools (one having a very small class) and I doubt this is the case in NYC or Chicago, but there are places where law stundents don't out number jobs. Maybe they are not glamorius cities or the highest paying markets but there are places without a glut of unemployeed law grads.

I'm putting this in context of the "5th tier" schools discussed in this thread. I have to believe if Regis started a law school in Denver there would be a few grads who would have employment problems.

Until it got established, but the city could not likely support three schools. The new schools have been smart in this at least, opening a new school in Phoenix w/ an evening program was a smart move. I don't care where you go or what rank your school is there is always going to be people who have a hard time finding work. Harder at lower ranked schools for sure, but some people just suck at finiding/keeping work. Not everyone who goes to law school is going to make a good lawyer, but out of every school, even the crappeist ones there are going to be sucesses, even at the best schools failures, blame it on the school if you want to, but some people just suck at life.


You are one of the few posters on this site who seems like he has his SH-T together and doesn't discourage students from non T14. You are honest but not discouraging. It is a breath of fresh air.

The first time I visited this site, I thought that everyone who attended lawschool went to a T14 or did not attend law school at all.

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1L job search / Re: General questions regarding securing employment
« on: July 06, 2008, 06:39:54 PM »
I don't blame a solo for being cheap - sometimes they have to scrape by.

But there's no excuse for being a feminine hygiene product.  There are way too many lawyer feminine hygiene products.

I agree.

This man is a raging blow hard with an ego the size of a planet and calling a feminine hygiene product bag is an extreme understatement. I have seen him make employees cry and I can honestly say, he is the biggest pile of crap of a human being I have ever encountered in my life. If it takes a human being having to humilate and treat a fellow employee like crap to feel good about themselves, then there is seriously something F-d up with them.

I think that all lawyer douchebags should have to be registered on a website like sex predators.


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1L job search / Re: General questions regarding securing employment
« on: July 02, 2008, 11:50:47 PM »
just curious as to what makes the dude such a "db" and cheap?


Well, for one he treats everyone, including employees and clients like inferior beings. He talks down to us as if we are retarded 1st graders and he is extremely rude. When he asks someone to do something, he demands it and does not use normal customary words of appreciaton, " please", "thank you" etc. Instead, these are replaced with DO this now and about time.

As far as cheap, he refuses to buy toner and makes the employees shake the toner cartridge and unscrew it to release more toner using there hands to move the toner around so it lasts 3 more uses. . He makes us recycle tape. Thats right tape. As in remove tape from a case binder and apply it to a new case binder.

He pays a relatively low hourly wage for the amount of work required and refuses to turn on the AC on 110 degree days in SO CAL.

His computers are from 1996 running windows 98 and he refuses to upgrade making the system dreadfully slow trying to use the legal software which he did not purchase the registration key for but rather has been running the trial version illegally for years.

I can elaborate further if you like.  :D


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1L job search / General questions regarding securing employment
« on: July 02, 2008, 09:15:03 PM »
I am currently working with this solo and he is a feminine hygiene product and is the atypical lawyer that people make jokes about. He is pompous, rude, and unfriendly and just cares about the dollar. And boy is he cheap!

Nevertheless, I am trying to not let that effect my experience.

I have a couple questions that maybe someone can address. 


I. As an incoming 2L, what is the process to begin looking for permanent employment?

II. When can a incoming 2L begin applying for permenant employment and how would one go about asking firms and offices if they are hiring? Via email or conventional letter?

III. When someone says permenant employment, is that strictly referring to summer associate positions? If not, what other type of permenant employment is there?

Thanks guys for the helpful info as always.


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1L job search / Re: 16 yo wants a job, please review my letter!
« on: June 27, 2008, 05:19:32 PM »
You're 16. Find something else to waste your time on. There will be plenty of time to waste on legal and law school nonsense later on. Find a nice girl to hookup with and enjoy life for a little while. I appreciate the initiative, but believe me, you might as well enjoy the last few years of true freedom that you have. Go work at Wendy's and have fun.

Also, you have a few run-on sentences. And what are you doing in college at 16 anyway?

Finally, don't worry about Berkeley or Harvard right now. Until you have a UGPA and LSAT on the board, they mean nothing to you and you mean nothing to them. I'm not being a male private part, just being honest.


I completly agree.

You are 16 years old. You are obviously a gifted kid, 16 in college, but you really need to enjoy your life. Trust me, you have all the time in world to stress over lsat, law school, jobs, in the future. You are 16, go play video games, sports, and get laid as the poster I am quoting suggested.

ENJOY LIFE.

I applaud your enthusiam though. Alot of people dont have the hunger you have and know what they want out of life even when they are 30. At 16, you seem to know what you want. Of course, being so young, you could have simply watched an episode of law and order and decided thats what you wanted to do with your life.

What do 16 years old do these days? My space, mtv? I am so lost folloing the future of america.

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1L job search / Re: Working For a Solo
« on: June 26, 2008, 09:02:53 PM »
I think working for a solo is a great thing to do your 1L summer, you will learn so much that you donít get to see working at a larger firm. Iím part time starting my fourth (and hopefully last!) year in law school. Iíve clerked at large, medium and small firms (year round). For the last year I have been clerking part-time for a solo, and its been the best learning experience clerk wise yet. Iíve been able to do everything, memos, briefs, appellate briefs, motions, client interviews, depositions, appear in district, federal and the 10th circuit courts several times. Basically everything he does I have done in some degree, including trials. If your solo is a good mentor you will learn a lot this summer.

As to finding other employment, Iím not sure how this would have worked for my 2L as Iím doing it last, but its certainly helped me land leads/offers for post law school work. My boss has been practicing 35 years and went to my school, heís also very well know in his field so he knows practically everybody in our legal market to some degree. By introducing me to people he knows I have met state supreme court justices, 10th cir judges, big law partners ect. He tries to set up a lunch with someone in the legal field I have not met yet once every week. Its been great, and Iíve had more offers from that (and his personal recommendation of me) than I could possible accept. My advice would be try to encourage your boss to do something similar, introduce you to the people he knows, some of them might be able to help with your 2L summer or post law jobs.

Good luck



Hello matthies,

Thanks for the informative post and kind wishes.Goodluck to you as a 4L. I am sure you will do great!

I am learning alot working with this solo. He is a feminine hygiene product though and is the atypical lawyer that people make jokes about. He is pompous, rude, and unfriendly and just cares about the dollar. And boy is he cheap!

Nevertheless, I am trying to not let that effect my experience.

I have a couple more questions that maybe someone can address. 


I. As an incoming 2L, what is the process to begin looking for permanent employment?

II. When can a incoming 2L begin applying for permenant employment and how would one go about asking firms and offices if they are hiring?

III. When someone says permenant employment, is that strictly referring to summer associate positions? If not, what other type of permenant employment is there?

Thanks guys for the helpful info as always.


Goodluck to those of you getting ready to take the bar.




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1L job search / Re: Working For a Solo
« on: June 23, 2008, 09:46:42 PM »
OP,

if you don't mind me asking, what school do you attend?


I rather not say because I know classmates visit this site. Its in SOCAL however.


Thanks everyone for the feedback.

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1L job search / Working For a Solo
« on: June 23, 2008, 01:07:12 AM »
I attend a T4 and this summer I landed a job working for a solo as a legal clerk. The pay is $11 an hour which isnt much, but I actually feel lucky because alot of my friends with better grades had to take non-legal jobs paying less. The job is unlikely to lead to perm. employment as its a small office with 2 solos working there but I feel fortunate getting some form of income AND gaining legal experience.

Even though the work is not the most intellectually stimulating, I am learning how a law office operates and witnessing life as a lawyer first hand IE. the hours, the stress, and the rewards. I am also gaining experience with legal software which appears to be necessities for many legal jobs, IE. abacus, word perfect, legal solutions.

My question is will such work experience look good on my resume for OCI or even when I pursue 2L employment? I realize my options coming from a T4 are limited so I am not seeking a big law gig. Will this experience illustrate to potential employers that I have some legal experience and perhaps put me at some advantage compared to my peers?

Thanks in advance, hope everyone is having a good summer. 

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