Anyone out there have input on how/when firms don't give a summer associate an offer? Do they ever do this based on grades, or is it only if you don't work or act improperly in the summer program?
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« on: January 14, 2008, 04:18:31 PM »
what is better work experience on a resume - unpaid State Attorneys office internship or paid position at a small (3-7) attorney firm?
states attorneys office is way better than small firm. not even close. you can get work study or credit for the state attorney job so don't fret about losing the salary. anyway, how much is a small firm going to pay anyway? not worth it when state attorney will be so much better on your resume.
It's probably one of the less prestigious federal court internships, but the district matters too. For example, Mag Judge in D.C. or S.D.N.Y is better than D.Wyoming. Also, don't discount the networking benefit of being in a federal courthouse. It is very possible you will meet interns and law clerks for other judges. Keep in mind that students just one year ahead of you may end up hiring you or reviewing your applications if you apply for judicial clerkships.
when applying, ask about the opportunities to participate in a journal/moot ct./mock trial. some schools say that they hold spaces on journals for transfer students but then you find out that it's only a couple of spaces. it might take a lot of work to learn the truth about it. this is probably only a big deal if you want to clerk or be a prof., though.
« on: December 27, 2007, 09:21:23 AM »
I find it very suspicious that you already have all of your fall semester grades and rank.
With that said--if your story isn't bs then I think you might be right about your old school. I can't believe that the students are that much different at two T4's. Also, I don't believe the difference in the curve could account5 for such disparate grades.
I transferred, too, and I suspect that something similar happened to me. I got very good grades in my fall 1L semester and applied to transfer at a school with an early action program. As soon as I asked the registrar's office to send my transcript out, my professors began treating me differently, and my second semester grades were significantly lower. I was stil able to transfer, but not to the same level of school as I would have had my grades held up.
Personally, I think you should look into filing a grievance, but if there is a prof at your old school who you trust, you might want to contact her first.
Two comments: 1. Even at schools without early action programs, applying early increases your chances. 2. LSAT score generally have nothing to do with your chances for being accepted as a transfer student--in the same way your personal statement and recommendations generally have little to do with getting into law school as a 1L. All that really counts is your GPA/Class Rank and the school you are coming from.
I was at T2 and transferred to T25 specifically to try to get a job in that market. It worked, but it was very hard and took a long time to get an offer. In my experience (including anecdotal info from others), transfers don't do as well in fall recruiting as returning students--no journal or moot court/mock trial, and no grades at your new school.
At the same time, your chances of getting biglaw job in Cali from T2 in NY are very, very slim. If you are really committed to working in CA, you should transfer. If you have the grades, go to any T14 (or probably even T25) and you will be much better off, even if the school isn't in CA. If not, then try for the highest ranked school in CA.
FYI: With transfer apps, the earlier the better and volume helps--it's a somewhat random process.
I still have a little time to decide, but I'm leaning towards the in-house option. (It's actually Fortune 100--not that it makes big difference.) The main thing is that I'm really not interested in the small-medium firm, and I can just as easily get the same type of offer again next year from similar place. I know that the GC does not hire straight from law school (thank you all for assuming I know nothing...). What I am really most concerned with is what looks best on my resume for 3L OCI, i.e. the prestige of Fortune 100 versus the practical experience of a law firm.
Also, thanks to those who suggested big law in small markets, but I am unfortunately tied to the city where I live now.