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Current Law Students / Re: CALI Lessons???
« on: May 22, 2008, 12:14:07 PM »
my school gives discs away for free.... the problems aren't bad... I use them as a supplement to a supplement. I dont bother (most of the time anyways) reading the instructions/lesson stuff etc. and just do the problems they have to test my knowledge.... overall not bad for that

Current Law Students / Re: What is the most difficult 1L subject ??
« on: May 22, 2008, 12:12:04 PM »
largely depends on the professor, their teaching style, their tests etc. but beyond all that it is by and large Civ Pro... the FRCP is so confusing at times that loopholes are "Accidentially" left there.... its also so foreign compared to everything else. Some things in each other class are things people usually have no problems grasping but Civ Pro seems more abstract.

For instance, to say a contract lacks consideration is to say that the parties aren't exchanging things of value or restrictions on their liberty which is of value to the other party with one another

Torts- a battery is a punch in the face that is not based on reasonable self-defense etc.

Con Law- Congress can declare war but the president cannot

Crim- a premeditated and intentional killing of another is first degree murder

Property- if someone treats property as their own and makes the general public aware of it,it is theirs through adverse possession

these classes' main concepts seem to be easy to translate into main basic statements. The difficulties come from ambiguous circumstances. For instance, if someone is restricted from smoking in certain parts of a restaurant but allowed in others and likes to sit in the non-smoking part regardless, and is offered $1million not to smoke in the restaurant, is it sufficient consideration? the two sides could argue it back and forth.
Or, for example, if the president sends troops for a limited military conflict but for various reasons refuses to call it war and congress has not authorized such actions.

Civ Pro doesn't follow that model though. Instead the circumstances are ambiguous and it is not entirely clear what rule to apply in all the cases because it cannot be reduced down to clear cut statements the way ideas from other courses can

I didn't discuss legal writing etc. but that too is pretty straight forward after you write your first few papers/prepare your first oral argument etc.

As far as best class, have to say property.... for some reason I thought (unlike the general sentiment for some reason) that future interests, present possessory interests, rule against perpetuities etc. were fascinating.... but thats probably just because I liked how you could combine ideas of scarce market resources etc. with a sense of history... cant wait for trusts and estates

Current Law Students / Re: Basic questions from a future 1L
« on: May 22, 2008, 11:55:23 AM »
I have been scouring the Internet lately trying to find answers for a few questions about law school. There is a lot of conflicting opinion, so I wanted to start a topic and get a discussion going with opinions from a broad group of current or former law students. I'll either be going to Rutgers-Camden or Villanova my first year. "

First, congratulations, especially in getting into such good schools... I think the reason why the accounts vary so much is that for each person the whole law school experience differs... I felt like I didn't work much even though I was usually in the library from 3pm to 11pm then home to read another two hours then bed then classes the next morning until 2:30pm. I did let myself relax every other weekend or so when Id visit my gf (still do homework then too though). My point is, I was stressed but I know a lot of people that were far more stressed. I think the reason I wasn't so stressed out or felt like I was working that hard was because I had worked that hard in undergrad whereas a lot of people didn't. This is not to say anything positive or negative about myself or others, just to point out that since we are all coming from different backgrounds (hard working undergrad/ party undergrad/ hard working grad student/not as hard working grad student/ formerly employed with easy job/ formerly employed at hard position), how you view the 1L year varies widely. 

I wont answer question #1 because, frankly, I have no idea. As for the other two, however:

2. What do 1L/2Ls typically do during summer semester. If the school I goes to offers summer classes I will most likely take advantage of them to finish early (I'm going for a JD/MBA). I have read that many students take summer internships or jobs. Are they paid? Are the valuable in the future? What is the procedure for 1Ls, when do you start applying?

I personally am doing a work study job with a department of the Federal Government. I know a lot of people who are doing work study work. Some are on exchange to Ireland since my school does such a program, and some are taking summer classes. I too am going after a JD/MBA and looked at starting classes for the MBA this summer but ended up not doing it because of how much more it would complicate my summer job etc. since my school is out of state, summer classes are expensive and i am not being paid much on work study etc.

Some summer jobs are paid, but for the most part I dont think they are. Most people, like myself, go on work study which while its not great does pay $10/hr. I have heard they are valuable for the future, especially if you want to go into that line of work. However, I also know a lot of people who are working in parts they aren't planning on specializing in (for example, I work in housing and while property law fascinates me, I plan to do something with corporate or tax when i graduate) and the school seems to favor that.

As far as application, usually the perfect time to get it all done is during winterbreak so you can go on interviews etc. during spring break. But if you dont meet that timeframe, don't sweat it too much... I was way too late in finding a job and still did.

3. After law school I still want to be able to lead a normal life (I.E, I'm not going to be working 80 hours a week). I'd like to work 50 hours a week after my first few years out of law school. (I know my first years in private practice may be time consuming, does that hold true for the rest of your career) Does this eliminate BigLaw jobs? How many hours/week are typical in BigLaw. What about small/medium firms? Government? Academia?

I think it eliminates most jobs, especially business related ones for which the MBA would be helpful. Heck, even law school is about 80 hours a week or so to a lot of people. But my job right now, everyone seems to only work 40 hrs a week or so. I imagine academia is probably around the same lines, if not less. So government and academia are less hours, but they are also very often less pay. I think the small and medium firms tend to vary widely on hours based on specialty, market size, firm size etc.

Current Law Students / Re: Is something wrong?
« on: September 25, 2007, 08:44:55 PM »


I have a question for you:  Have you ever heard of paragraphs?

of course.... I was just very busy at the time
I am sorry that I did not write the post as though it was a formal paper

Current Law Students / Re: Is something wrong?
« on: September 14, 2007, 11:10:38 AM »
Do you understand the material better than your classmates?  That's the only thing that matters.  That and how to write an exam.

I am not really sure... I mean so far I have only been graded on Legal Skills stuff and I have done better on that stuff than the other students I have talked to... and most of the times I answer a question the other students don't volunteer... but who knows what that kind of information will give you since maybe they are purpoely choosing not to participate instead of not knowing the answer... There has been a bunch of kids caught for not having read the cases though, or really struggling with them when I haven't found them too difficult... at the same time though there are kids who contribute more to Torts than I do (but that is largely because the professor will not call on me as much as the others for whatever reason)

Current Law Students / Re: Is something wrong?
« on: September 14, 2007, 10:52:27 AM »
so as long as one keeps up with their work it does not really get stressful until exams?
then why do people make a big deal about the stress year-round when really it only gets stressful around exams?

Current Law Students / Is something wrong?
« on: September 14, 2007, 10:43:00 AM »
I am a 1L at Quinnipiac and have all the basic 1L courses: torts, contracts, legal skills (reasearch and writing), criminal, and civil procedure. So far I ahve been working a lot but it doesn't really feel like a lot.... I mean I do the work and it takes a huge amount of time every day (usually all i can do other than the work is sleep, eat etc.) but it doesn't seem all that difficult... sometimes Ill be confused then ill go to a legal dictionary or what have you and it makes it seem pretty straight forward. I volunteer an answer for almost every class and am almost always right. The most demanding of the courses, due to the professor, has been criminal law. I was called on in there socratically and did fine. Although there is a substantial amount of work (particularly now that Legal Skills is kicking in) but it does not seem all that difficult... I read all my cases three/four times, simply reading the first, summarizing notes of each paragraph on the second, highlighting out a brief on the third, then look through the highlights (if i cant alrewady do it by memory) and write out a brief on the computer. I have been doing better on papers than my fellow students in Legal Skills papers so far. But, I am not really stressed at all... maybe its because all I do is school now but I am actually (for the most part) less stressed than undergrad. I do all the work and understand almost everything in class. In the rare ocassion something in class is confusing, the professor will later say something to put it all into context and make it all click. I thought law school was supposed to be a lot more stressful than it has actually been. Also, I am not saying there is not a lot of work because there is but I was expecting it to be a lot worse than it actually is..... am I just doing really well or am I completely missing something? I contribute to almost every class, brief and read everything i need to, and understand the key concepts.... whats missing?

I did take a bunch of undergrad classes in constitutional and comparative law using a casebook and a professor who had graduated with an LLM from Yale... could those have helped?

Current Law Students / Re: is this normal?
« on: August 27, 2007, 08:01:43 AM »
I am so glad I saw this post... I have to definately agree with 1Lchica. I too am in the same boat and was worrying I was doing it wrong because although I do about 7 or so hours a night (and this past weekend only did 8 hours for the two days total and that was it) but it does not seem too difficult. I do worry from time to time that I got the holding incorrect and the ruling correct or vice-versa, but other than that it seems too simple so far (after one week) and not at all as bad as I was expecting (so far anyways)

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