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General Board / Re: Is UVA worth it w/ 150k debt?
« on: September 19, 2009, 08:20:50 PM »
Obviously don't base a major life decision on what random people on the internet tell you to do. Call the school's financial aid department, and ask them for info. Call the Department of Education to find out about loan forgiveness programs.  Then run the numbers.  You're an accountant.  You should be able to do your own cost/benefit analysis. Of course, I'm a random person on the internet too; so take that that with a grain of salt :P

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General Board / Re: Is UVA worth it w/ 150k debt?
« on: September 19, 2009, 11:26:09 AM »
How did you get accepted in September?

UVA is definitely worth 150K.  I mean, if you really want to be a lawyer. There is loan forgiveness for public service work (including federal government work) under the College Cost Reduction Act of 2007.  I believe they forgive (up to 100k) after 10 years of government work.  You pay no more than 15 percent of your after tax income to debt service over those 10 years.  Then, Uncle Barrack touches your forehead like a televangelist, and forgives your debt. :)

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General Board / nice of the economy to collapse at this time
« on: September 19, 2009, 10:43:50 AM »
Venting . . .

I had an interview with a prestigious judge for a clerkship. He told me I was a great candidate, and I could tell he really liked me.  Then he told me that this is not a normal year.  Laid-off BigLaw associates with years of experience are vying for the same clerkship. I gave a good answer, which he seemed to think clever. It was not clever enough.

That laid-off Biglaw guy is probably going to starve on the puny clerkship salary, and I'll have to flee to Namibia to avoid creditors. But it sure is a dream market for employers. How nice for them.

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General Board / Re: Exam in 2 weeks - Hitting a wall.
« on: August 06, 2009, 03:54:23 PM »
(Study group of 3 other people of about your IQ + Practice Exam under realistic time conditions + compare answers and review) x 3 practice exams = A

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General Board / Re: The crock that is the law school scholarship
« on: July 29, 2009, 10:48:18 AM »
Suck it 0L. I submit our little debate to a jury of our peers.  I think you'll find our fellow forumers will agree with me that you are a jackass.  Have a nice day. :)

PS: I am not the OP. I actually have a nice schoolership.

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General Board / Re: The crock that is the law school scholarship
« on: July 29, 2009, 09:58:59 AM »
No agenda, merely cynicism. It's as old and conservative as the Book of Ecclesiastes or as liberal and eccentric and the teachings of Diogenes of Sinope.

Point of advice: you'll make more friends and convince more people of your point of view if you avoid ad hominem attacks.  (Re-read the thread carefully, starting with your response)

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General Board / Re: The crock that is the law school scholarship
« on: July 29, 2009, 09:35:44 AM »
I'll share a secret: LIFE ISN'T FAIR!

Try to think like good old Judge Posner. Schools give out Schoolerships in their own self interest.  1L scholarships are distributed to entice high LSAT scoring students to matriculate in order to benefit the school's ranking.  2/3L scholarships are given to entice good students to stay at the school so that the school will have impressive graduates.  It is not necessary to give such a large scholarship to 2/3Ls because they basically already own you.

I know it's total bull, but that's how America rolls. Your law school education would be almost free if you lived in Europe. Socialized education! But Americans prefer this Ayn Rand, Wild West, Personal Autonomy nonsense :P


I disagree with pretty much everything you said.  You say that life isn't fair, then you advocate socialism?  Since you are on a law school thread, I am assuming you want to be a lawyer.  Since you are in a position that you can be a lawyer, I am assuming that your education and intellect is at least above average (maybe a rash assumption, but let's work with it).  Pure socialism would say that, even though you are more educated and intelligent, you should not receive more payment and reward than someone less educated and intelligent.  I guarantee you that if you were forced to receive the median national salary, as opposed to whatever you are expected by becoming an attorney, you would be complaining that it was unfair.

Capitalism works because it tends to reward those who should be rewarded.  Unless you are going to law school solely to become a public interest attorney (by doing so, forgoing the above-average salaries typically associates with law), you are being entirely hypocritical by saying that socialism is in America's best interest.  Kind of like saying that all people are equal... but some are more equal than others. 

You don't want to "be owned" by a law school- get a guaranteed full ride for the entirety of law school.  If your numbers aren't good enough to do that, then maybe you should drop your sense of entitlement and feelings that just because you don't have a full ride, life isn't fair.

You are obviously a buffoon.  You overstate your case.  That is a fatal flaw in any argument. I never advocated socialism, let alone "pure socialism."  It is common knowlege that "life isn't fair."  How would you like to be born as a woman in Taliban-land?  You obviously have it out for leftists, and have over-reacted. Actually, I'm not a leftist at all. I'm just cynical. However, if I were a leftist, I would point out that President Obama, who is a brilliant man, is working to bring more socialism to America.  Get over yourself.  You conservatives lost both houses of Congress and now the presidency.  President Obama will make a liberal, socialism-friendly, Supreme Court too. You have lost the "culture wars" for a generation. Have a nice day :) 

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General Board / Re: Research Assitant?
« on: July 29, 2009, 09:28:31 AM »
You're taking another job in addition to the RA position?  I hope you're a part-time student.  First year is hard.  You will need to focus on your studies. I believe the ABA actually has a rule against full-time 1Ls working more than 20 hours per week.  Do you absolutely need the money?

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General Board / Re: The crock that is the law school scholarship
« on: July 29, 2009, 08:30:09 AM »
I'll share a secret: LIFE ISN'T FAIR!

Try to think like good old Judge Posner. Schools give out Schoolerships in their own self interest.  1L scholarships are distributed to entice high LSAT scoring students to matriculate in order to benefit the school's ranking.  2/3L scholarships are given to entice good students to stay at the school so that the school will have impressive graduates.  It is not necessary to give such a large scholarship to 2/3Ls because they basically already own you.

I know it's total bull, but that's how America rolls. Your law school education would be almost free if you lived in Europe. Socialized education! But Americans prefer this Ayn Rand, Wild West, Personal Autonomy nonsense :P

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General Board / Re: I HATE multiple choice.
« on: July 29, 2009, 08:21:06 AM »
As long as the exam is written well, most of the problems should be fair.  You don't need to get all of them right to get an A.  Maybe only 3/4.  The bad questions should wash out because everyone has to deal with them.  Maybe that introduces some degree of luck, but as long as the exam is mostly fair, you'll get the grade you deserve.  Make sure you read the call to the question carefully, and then use process of elimination to narrow the answer down as much as possible. 

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