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Job Search / Re: Declining Callback interviews
« on: September 04, 2007, 11:44:52 AM »
Just call up the firm and cancel the callback.  They may be out a bit on your flight/lodging (though I doubt it), but the primary expense is the interviewer time.  If you're not interested, they'd rather you just canceled.  Call up the recruiting coordinator (or person who scheduled your callback) and cancel with him/her.

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Job Search / Re: Not being able to work during your first year?
« on: September 04, 2007, 11:43:37 AM »
Student loans.

$20.5k in Fed loans + whatever private loans you need.  Take a look at your finances and figure out how much money you've spent over the past year.  Take out loans to make sure you can cover it.

Then land a firm job 1L/2L summer, where you pull in $30k+.  That sure helps with paying the bills.

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Job Search / Re: Getting the perfect summer job...
« on: September 03, 2007, 08:54:27 AM »
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I guess those of us not good enough for the T14 really have our work cut out for us.

Pretty much.  A minority of 1Ls at t14 schools land substantive firm jobs (by substantive, I mean roughly AmLaw 200 or better).  If it's that tough for Harvard students to land something, imagine how it is for a tier 3 or tier 4 student.

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Current Law Students / Re: Federal Clerk: how hard to land?
« on: September 01, 2007, 08:45:11 PM »
Quote from: law123 on September 01, 2007, 08:36:17 PM
Thanks for the advice. I am a 2L thinking ahead to next year. I knew it was hard to get but I didn't know it was quite as hard as that.

You have to remember how many resumes many of these judges see.  I'd bet that over 1/4 of the students at t14s apply for clerkships each year.  Lots of people want to be on the east coast.  So you're battling against LR people from the t14 for your spot.  That's a tough fight.

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Current Law Students / Re: Federal Clerk: how hard to land?
« on: September 01, 2007, 08:07:04 PM »
Quote from: law123 on September 01, 2007, 05:25:29 PM
Besides "extremely," how hard is to land a federal district court clerkship? I am around top 10% (my school doesn't tell you exactly where you stand) and on law review at one of the 3 schools in the Philadelphia area which are ranked between 65-75 in USNews. What kind of chance would I have at landing one of these gigs (for either D.N.J or E.D.PA) with these credentials?

Also, what else should I be doing/joining to improve my chances? I guess the number one thing would be to try to get my LR article published? Should I try to get a research position with a professor or would that be considered only marginally if at all? Teaching assistant?

Any help or inside knowledge greatly appreciated.

Your odds are slim.  Get your LR article published.  Make sure you have three solid recs.  Beyond that, good luck. 

Most federal judges will receive upwards of 500-1000 apps.  Some (S.D.N.Y., 2nd/9th/D.C. Circuits) receive several thousands.  Being in the top 10% at a TTT isn't going to help much when you're compared against the the 65 schools better than yours.  If you apply all around the country, you may have a chance of landing something, but your odds for just E.D.Pa. and D.N.J. aren't good.  Talk to your career services; they may have a better idea.

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Job Search / Re: Getting the perfect summer job...
« on: September 01, 2007, 03:28:00 PM »
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What really matters as a 1L?  Your school.

This is, of course, the credited responses.

Law School >>>>> Grades >>> Undergrad > Major/Work Experience

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Current Law Students / Re: Work experience or grades?
« on: September 01, 2007, 03:25:50 PM »
Outside of tier 1, it's tough to get firm jobs through OCI.  You'll eventually find employment if you're top 35% at a tier 2,  but it's an uphill battle.  That's just the nature of the beast.

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Current Law Students / Re: Just me?
« on: September 01, 2007, 08:01:13 AM »
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Actually "Judgement" is still an acceptable spelling of the word.

Yeah, if you live in Australia.  Here in the US, it's "judgment."

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Current Law Students / Re: Work experience or grades?
« on: August 31, 2007, 09:19:10 PM »
Not to be a jerk, but that explains a lot.  It's probably true that tier 2 + law review isn't going to get you a lot of looks at BIGLAW if you don't have good grades.  t14 + law review gets you in pretty much anywhere except Wachtell.

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Current Law Students / Re: Work experience or grades?
« on: August 31, 2007, 08:34:44 PM »
Quote from: unlvcrjchick on August 31, 2007, 07:50:22 PM
I too say grades are the most important.  Although I'm ranked in the top 35 % of my class (just missed top third), was ranked in the top third last year, am on Law Review, AND my note was selected for publication, AND I work full time, I'm still finding it VERY difficult to get any job interviews from OCI.  Keep in mind these are interviews I'm talking about and not actual offers.  Plus, most of the firms I've submitted bids to are not actual "Big Law" firms; some are small-to-moderate size at best!

Talk about bull. The only reason I did Law Review in the first place was because I was led to believe it's a "golden ticket."  Trust me when I say that Law Review means NOTHING next to grades.  Sad but true...

What school rank?

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