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Law Firms / Re: NALP forms
« on: December 02, 2007, 09:26:08 PM »
Exactly how accurate are NALP forms?  I'm looking at one for an international law firm's NY office and it has the average hours worked at a little less than 2200 and average billed at  about 1850 with no minimum billable requirement.  Can this be right and, if so, why doesn't that seem as bad as it should be given the size and location of the firm?

I think the numbers are totally bogus.  My firm is listed as 2000 required, but the average associate billing 1925 and working under 2100.  yeah, right?  I guess it could be possible it means the average associated tried to bill 2100 and was written down to 1925, which means they probably were at work 3000 plus?

Law Firms / Re: What does it take to get fired at biglaw?
« on: November 20, 2007, 12:31:50 AM »
Same here.  I knew an attorney who was off her billables for the first nine months (working 40-45 regular hour weeks).  She had a "talking to" by senior partners, and then was put on a trial team (where she worked over 80 hours a week).  The impression I got was that it's pretty easy to ride through the first year.
I tried really hard all summer to find out what people were working to hit close to 2000 (many people were around 1900 or so).  Although this information is carefully guarded, the best I can figure is work 4 to bill 3, so maybe around 2700 hours worked per year- over 50 weeks, that's 54 a week.  Or if you divide it across 48 weeks and try to take the 4 weeks of vacation you supposedly have, it comes to 56 a week.  Anybody else thought about this? 

General Board / Re: Outlining blues......
« on: November 20, 2007, 12:28:46 AM »
It's SO much worse as a 3L.  :-[

Words can not describe how hard it is to care.  One of my professors had to call on NINE people today before he found someone who had "sort of" read the case.  Yeah, it's mostly 3Ls in the class.  Just so hard to give a damn about getting yelled at, maybe getting bad grades, etc. when 2000 billable and tons of debt is staring you down.

Law Firms / Re: What does it take to get fired at biglaw?
« on: November 19, 2007, 07:55:39 PM »
I've heard it take forever to get fired, and they'd much rather encourage you to look for something elsewhere rather than actually fire you.  I've heard stories from associates at firms about that one guy who could (or wouldn't) pull their own weight, couldn't write to save their lives, etc.  After 3 years of crappy reviews and crappy work, he still wasn't fired; instead he "took another opportunity"

I've heard similar stories- including one from a guy who was hitting about half of the billable number for close to a year- the firm knew he was leaving to go to grad school so they let it slide...

Law Firms / Re: What does it take to get fired at biglaw?
« on: November 18, 2007, 07:48:45 PM »
I've heard it looks bad for them to fire you so they generally won't in under 2 years- although they may treat you badly to make you quit.

Law Firms / What does it take to get fired at biglaw?
« on: November 18, 2007, 06:41:44 PM »
Just curious, I've heard it's almost impossible to get canned under 2 years.

2L job search / Re: How to Decline Summer Associate Offer
« on: October 29, 2007, 08:44:18 PM »
he's on another thread taunting someone with no offers.

2L job search / Re: How to Decline Summer Associate Offer
« on: October 29, 2007, 08:20:23 PM »
You're an arrogant prick!

3L job search / Re: any tips for FTC phone interview?
« on: September 26, 2007, 12:03:54 AM »

3L job search / any tips for FTC phone interview?
« on: September 25, 2007, 05:40:07 PM »
I have one Thursday AM- already am leaning toward accepting firm offer because I'm broke but I would like to at least not embarrass myself. Any tips for questions to expect or suggestions for questions to ask when they pull the old "any questions for me"?  It's the bureau of competition, which is fitting because I hear competition for the jobs is intense.  Many thanks.

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