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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 21, 2010, 05:42:29 PM »
why were they rejected?

Unless your a Felon or an invalid the service can take you. If you're a coward, that's what the civie corps are for.
Just one idea that is there but people don't want. That's all. And hell yeah, people would be still whineing if they were super-easy to get into. People feel it's there civic duty to do so. My God, 5 figures a year.....Razors,I need razors...... :-\

Joining the military is a possibility for almost everyone, getting a job with JAG is not.
I know plenty of really qualified candidates who were rejected by JAG.
If you get accepted in to JAG, you graduate the modified basic training as a Lieutenant, you get a great bonus, and the loan forgiveness is amazing.  As a result, you have way more applicants than positions.


Too many qualified applicants, not enough openings. The story of the legal profession.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 20, 2010, 05:26:33 PM »
Lawschool is the easiest thing that I have ever done in my entire life. What the hell are you talking about?

I never said it was difficult.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 20, 2010, 04:20:28 PM »
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Hold it there: no one said it was a bad investment for everyone at T14s. If you think I exaggerated, please tell these people where I exaggerated. Obviously there are people in T14s who, because of either exceptional grades or because of a good family, get jobs

This is really a matter of opinion, so I can't really prove anything one way or another. However, I just think that your characterization of situation is generally worse than it really is. While many of my friends here at GULC missed out on biglaw due to the economy, almost everyone I know has something reasonably good lined up post graduation- or are at least getting plenty of interviews. Plenty of people (at least 3Ls) got biglaw despite the economy with good, but not spectacular grades and no particular family ties (myself included). I agree that it's bad, just not armageddon.

I also disagree with the characterization of law school as a "Scam" in general. It may be a bad deal for some, but there's no malice going on. I do agree that for-profit law schools are dangerously close to that line though.



My characterization is accurate. If you calculate expected returns using the phony law school statistics, you will probably find law school to be a good investment. If you calculate the expected returns using the true statistics, you will probably find law school to be a bad investment. My personal opinion is that law school is a bad investment unless you have exceptional grades, are well-connected, or go to HYS (Harvard, Yale, or Stanford). YOU might have achieved a great return on your investment with average or slightly-above average grades and coming from a working class household. That's good, and I applaud you for it. But decisions about whether to go to law school should be made with a cool head.

The Wall Street Journal blog wrote yesterday that law school exhibits similar characteristics of the housing boom (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/19/how-legal-education-today-is-like-sub-prime-mortgage-market-in-2006/). Although I don't see law school tuition crashing soon, I do know that law school applicants are generally not making their decisions with enough knowledge of the legal profession. Law schools are generally pretty expensive. Do you know that most TTTs charge around the same price as T14s?

That's why I'm here telling the 0Ls not to believe the numbers put out by the law schools. Also, you should understand that many people are too embarrassed to admit they don't have jobs. It's not something people like to talk about, particularly when you form part of a culture that stigmatizes poverty, unemployment, and underemployment.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 19, 2010, 07:47:56 PM »
from http://esqnever.blogspot.com/2010/04/responsible-0l.html

"During my 1L year, I remember professors talking to us about what awaits us when we become associates in large firms - as if landing such positions was a given. One legal writing professors even urged us to be kind to our secretaries because they hold more power than they're given credit. Who would have thought that they "hold more power" than I do because they're actually gainfully employed, and I'd be lucky to get a sales position at Radio Shack.

Like the friends of an entranced teenage girl, however, the scam-bloggers can't get through to the infatuated party. "It's not true!", the 0L's cry. "They wouldn't lie to us!", they protest. No, it's us - the "losers" - who are the enemy and just out to sully the good name of these fine institutions of academic excellence because we couldn't hack it.

Sadly, when their three years are up, they finally are able to recognize the truth - once it's too late. Just like the girl who spurned her friends' counsel and has learned that "prince charming" has been dating three other girls and is indifferent to her feelings, the new law school graduates are cast out of their delusion only to realize they'd been conned by some of the most duplicitous characters in higher education."

Read more at http://esqnever.blogspot.com/ (just one of many law school scam busting blogs).

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Cooley in the fall
« on: April 18, 2010, 03:20:18 PM »
Thanks for making my point for me.

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Retard, how is ANY degree worse than not haveing one? Mention ONE just ONE job that you can get eaiser without a cooley degree than with it.


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Current Law Students / Re: Is law school worth it?- Freaked Out!
« on: April 18, 2010, 02:26:46 PM »
I agree with no name and PSUD. My school (T14) has a similar experience. It's terrible, but the information is not reaching the 0Ls. Once you have a law degree, it's really difficult to have a professional job in a non-law field. Sure you can work at Radio Shack (where I read, anecdotally, that a Pace Law grad is working), but it's almost impossible to do the Lloyd Blankfein thing and switch to another high profession.

If you have debt, no full-time job, limited personal connections, and a law degree (worse if it's from a non-prestigious school), then you are cooked. It's a HUGE problem for young men and women. No one says much because it's considered an embarrassing situation to be in. There's a strong culture to be a Pollyanna and do the whole Oprah/Osteen think-positive thing.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: cooley in the fall
« on: April 18, 2010, 02:18:39 PM »
I also am awaiting a decision.. since early february when my file was complete. I'm in the range to get a 25% scholarship based on the lsat so hopefully should come soon. I'm also planning on the ann arbor campus.

Cooley is considered a liability on a resume. It is considered to be a joke.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Cooley in the fall
« on: April 18, 2010, 02:16:49 PM »
Yes you literally die when you graduate from Cooley, the government has an order to kill you as you walk off the stage. It's like are your serious multiple books, it looks worse on a resume? 

Nobody is saying Cooley is Harvard, but I have actually worked with people that went to Cooley and were doing fine for themselves even people from CBA schools make it.  If the OP wants to be a lawyer then go for it you have a 0% chance of being unless you go to law school. If the OP is expecting anything to be handed to him from Cooley he is in for a surprise, but go to law school if you want to be lawyer, but do be aware of the risks and that Cooley is not Harvard.

There might be someone that thinks Cooley looks bad on a resume, I worked for this solo practioner who said he would never hire someone from Boalt or Stanford are those bad schools uhhhh noooooooooo! It was just his own opinion and he was entitled to have it.  Each employer can have their own view and there are a lot of factors that go into hiring someone other than the name of their school

Everyone thinks Cooley is a joke. It's literally the butt of law school jokes. It is worse than not having a law degree.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« on: April 18, 2010, 02:14:20 PM »
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It really isn't exaggerated.  Going to a law school that's not one of absolute best is a bad idea right now.  Unless you don't pay for any of it, or you have family or friends who'll give you a job.

Going to T2 and below school with 100K+ of expected debt is not smart, simple as that. 

The OP is a T14 3L, as am I. It's bad, but not for everyone. Myself and plenty of my friends have something lined up.

As for T2s, I am not qualified to opine, but I do hear it is horrendous.


Hold it there: no one said it was a bad investment for everyone at T14s. If you think I exaggerated, please tell these people where I exaggerated. Obviously there are people in T14s who, because of either exceptional grades or because of a good family, get jobs. The vast majority of people I know do not have full-time employment lined up. Also, while not in the top 10%, I am a good student, was on the Dean's List, have good journal experience, have a great resume with attractive stuff from even my pre-law years. For God's sake, it's even hell at Harvard.

You think I'm going to let these law schools bilk even MORE money from my fellow men and women? Why should I? So I can feel better about myself? No, that's dishonest.

Are you also going to tell me that T14 law schools are NOT rushing to give unemployed students research and library assistant positions so that the employment figure looks good for US News? Come on now.

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Current Law Students / Re: Is law school worth it?- Freaked Out!
« on: April 17, 2010, 09:55:28 PM »
CJScalia, you keep repeating the same thing. I have a business background and a great familiarity with economics. You don't need to keep repeating that unemployment is bad in the US. The question is whether law school is worth it. The answer is, flatly, "no." It is only worth it if you have a strong connection in the industry, or if you go to Harvard, Yale, or Stanford. Otherwise, if you are going by strict economic calculations, it is definitely not worth it (and if you're going by lifestyle calculations, it's not worth it either, but that's neither here nor there).

You need to calm down and stop filling the board with your spin campaign.

You're the one on a spin campaign, not me.


Please educate me then, since you're pretty much telling 99% of the law school population they're doing something wrong; what should they rather do?

You guys should make a serious cost-benefit analysis and take the experiences of graduating 3Ls, law grads, and young lawyers seriously. I have been 100% honest in all my posts. Take it as you wish.

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