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I would hope they will not consider it a mark against you if you decide to withdraw and reapply. However, you will likely have to include an addendum with next year's applications to address why you left the first school.

I would call the law schools in your home state and try to explain your situation to an admissions dean at those schools. See what they say. I can't think of any other way to get this information because your situation is pretty unique.

Also, note that there may be financial consequences from withdrawing. I'm not saying don't withdraw, if that's what it takes to save your marriage and personal life it may be what you have to do. BUT, figure out what the financial consequences are at your school so you can plan accordingly.

Good Luck.

Several people at my 1L school went this route, but it didn't seem like they were starting from scratch.

Here are two examples. Both had very low debt and good credit. You'll need good credit because you have to take out loans for advertising, office space,etc. Also, both were practicing in a mid-size city, not a major market.

One guy had several local attorneys as his mentors and they promised to refer cases they couldn't take to him. The local bar association also had an "appointment list" where he could get more referrals, along with other attorneys. He said after doing as many clinics, externships, and internships as he could, he decided this was the route for him.

Another woman ended up taking over a retiring attorney's law practice. Thus, the retiring attorney's "book of business" transferred over to her.

Current Law Students / Re: Financial Aid After Graduation???
« on: October 27, 2007, 10:47:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure the answer is NO.

Instead, you get what's called a "bar loan" to cover bar expenses, bar review classes, and living expenses while you study. Taking out as much as $15K for this isn't unheard. Oh, and these loans are all private. You can't get a federal bar loan.

Some people work as law clerks or temps while waiting around for their passage results, if they didn't get an offer at a big firm that lets them start before passing the bar.

Transferring / Re: Georgetown from top 25?
« on: October 27, 2007, 07:47:33 PM »

Note that just because your GPA starts over at the new school, doesn't mean your BC grades are gone.

You'll still have to list your first year of attendance at BC on your resume, though you can leave off your GPA if it is bad. Don't be surprised if employers ask you for a first year transcript should you decide to continue at Case. You might have to explain why your grades were bad.

This is definitely a unique situation.

It may be that BC's higher rank will help you out..but then again, maybe not. you'd be relying primarily on 3L OCI (not likely to get any offers in 2L OCI with poor 1L grades), which as many can attest to is a big gamble. So I wouldn't count on a big bucks job by a longshot, although employers may be more lenient if you had a very good reason for the leave of absence. I think it's really too hard to say. You need to talk to other people who have taken a year off in the middle of law school. Maybe BC can put you in touch with people who did this.

If Big Law is definitely out because you'd be gambling with 3L OCI, I would think about attending a cheaper state school, like Cleveland State, because you might end up graduating without a job offer.

Alternately, you could take a few years off and maybe start from scratch by doing 1L over.

If it matters, I aced contracts both semesters. Here's what I did.

1. Contracts E&E by Blum...a used copy from a couple years back is fine. This will be the rough equivalent of a college textbook. Read every subject in the book that is covered on your syllabus. Do the questions by writing them out and check them. If you were wrong, figure out why.

2. If the restatement and UCC supplements your prof assigned suck, get better ones. If your restatement supplement doesn't have illustrations, its sucks. You can browse the complete restatements and UCC for Contracts on LexisNexis. Try to work through the illustrations and pay attention to the commentary in the UCC.

3. Do some CALI lessons on Contracts. Go to CALI.ORG and register. You will have to get a password from your school. Look at the website, it has detailed instructions. The librarian at your school should also be able to help you.

4. Download practice exams and work them. Google search for practice exams. Many law schools have exams you can download with model answers or feedback memos.

Current Law Students / Re: Does it Matter...
« on: October 23, 2007, 03:34:03 PM »
Get the latest version. I had an old version last year and saw that the rules on Supplemental Jurisdiction have changed...this has been corrected in the newest version, which I also have. You can always sell it if you don't want it when the class is over.

Used E+E's that are a few years old are okay for pretty much every other first year class (Contracts, Crim, Torts, etc.) except Constitutional Law.

Current Law Students / Re: Siegel's or Lexis Q&A
« on: October 23, 2007, 03:28:11 PM »
Siegel's has essay questions, but isn't categorized by topic.

Q&A is categorized by topic but usually doesn't have essay questions.

Check the law library at your school...they may have these on file to check out. If you want to save $$$, I'd recommend looking for used copies on or amazon marketplace or ebay. I bought my Q&A and Siegel's books for evidence used for less than $10 each. Students at your school might also be selling used copies...check around.

Also, if you want free multiple choice questions, you can get them at

BUT you have to register and get a password from your school. Check the website for more info. Some schools also give out free CALI cdrom discs at the library if you ask for them.

Current Law Students / Re: NEED STUDY AIDS
« on: October 22, 2007, 06:37:35 PM »
The Examples and Explanations by Best is great for Evidence. I also used Siegels and the Questions and Answers series for practice multiple choice questions.

Transferring / Re: Visiting
« on: October 22, 2007, 01:23:01 PM »
DC is a tough market.

DC offices for major law firms have higher grade requirements than other cities. Government jobs are also very,very competitive. I don't know much about non-profit jobs but I would assume they are very competitive judging by the educational profiles of the people some of these orgs hire. I would rule all of these out unless you have top grades and/or are on law review.

Note that I'm at a T14 and this information comes from experience in applying for jobs in the DC market and talking with a career counselor.

As for small firms in the DC, maybe. But you will have to do some serious networking and shouldn't expect to be hired until you pass the bar.

If you are set on visiting, and UF permits you to do so, you may want to throw an app at American. A student at my old tier 2 is visiting there now, and they had lackluster 1L and 2L's possible that they had connections to the school administration or something, I really don't know.

Right now I would focus on getting good grades and looking for summer work in the DC area.

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