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General Board / Re: Why is outlining necessary?
« on: November 07, 2007, 12:08:31 AM »
I had to learn Evidence over a summer semester. My exam was all multiple choice, over 3 hours of the toughest multiple choice questions I have ever done. I didn't get an A, but close. My advice to you is to do as many multiple choice Evidence questions as you can: CALI, Q&A, Siegels, etc. whatever you can get your hands on. I did over 300 multiple choice questions and still felt like I could've done more to prepare. I can assure you that there will be a lot of difficult hearsay questions on your exam...that and character evidence & impeachment of witness are two of the most frequently tested areas on evidence exams - be sure you are intimately familar with both areas.

I did a normal outline, then made a 2 page bare bones attack outline and used diagrams my prof distributed. I'd recommend doing that and again, do as many multiple choice questions as you can. I know from your prior posts that you don't like study aids, but in this case it would be money well spent whether you are accustomed to using them or not. Try amazon marketplace for used Siegels and Q&A books, but get rush shipping or buy them used off your schoolmates. It will take you a while to do all those questions and you are running out of time.

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General Board / Re: Why is outlining necessary?
« on: November 06, 2007, 06:40:10 PM »
In my personal opinion, I think you waited too long, but much can be done between now and finals time to prepare.

For one, if you have some professors who are clear and focus on black letter law and good examples of application, then outlines for those classes won't be as hard. If you have profs who are deliberately confusing, your notes are probably nearly worthless and you'll have to start from scratch.

Either way, you have your work cut out for you, so get off LSD and hit the library.

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General Board / Re: Why is outlining necessary?
« on: November 06, 2007, 06:04:58 PM »
I'm not going to critique your approach bit by bit, but I'll just say that I'd wager that you don't know what you are doing and your approach probably isn't going to yield the results you want.

Outlining is necessary because it distills the concepts and black letter law you need to know for the exam into something manageable that you can use to study. A 500 page commercial outline is not manageable, though I think some are very helpful for looking things up. Personally, I use my outline to do practice exams and that's how I internalize it. I do not memorize the way people memorized things for tests in undergrad by passive drilling over and over. My approach worked well enough for me to get grades that allowed me to go from a tier 2 to a T14, for what it's worth.

Your exams will likely all be issue spotters to some extent...This is how things work at 99% of the law schools out there. Your profs may have told you something different, but its also possible they are lying to you or trying to confuse you on purpose. If you don't have old exams to look at or trustworthy upperclassmen to talk to, you should expect standard issue spotter exams. Come back next semester and you'll see what I mean.

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Transferring / Re: How difficult is it to transfer from a T-4 to a T-2?
« on: November 02, 2007, 01:49:16 PM »
The point of T4 law schools, and many tier 1/2/3 law schools is that they make money for universities. It isn't unusual for a university to skim off as much as 30% in tuition revenue so they can use it to subsidize other departments. Also, law schools provide jobs for law profs...which are pretty much cake jobs in terms of hours and stress compared to working at firm...at least after the profs get tenure.

It isn't just the T4 grads that have a tough time finding decent work. If you finish first year in the bottom half of your class at a top 25, you will likely have problems getting a job at a big firm or finding work that will enable you to pay down your loans and live comfortably.


I always wonder what the point of T-4 schools is anyway? If your job prospects suck, why do these schools even exist? I guess it is inevtiable and they are around because not everyone can score awesome on the LSAT and have a great GPA. Some people who don't have impressive numbers still want to go to law school and the T4s are a way for them to do so I guess. It's just a shame that these people will be in a lot of debt and won't make that much money after law school.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: too late for LEEWS?
« on: November 02, 2007, 09:04:28 AM »
I disagree that it's too late, but you'll have to start do it ASAP, even if it means skipping some of your reading for class.

LEEWS basically is IRAC...it just shows you HOW to do IRAC.

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General Board / Re: How long are your outlines?
« on: November 02, 2007, 12:44:46 AM »
My outlines were generally about 20-30 pages depending on the class. From that, I would make a 1 page, front and back checklist that I would either bring in to the exam or memorize and recreate during the exam.

Most of my exams first year were closed book. If you do plan to use your outline on the exam, I think having a table of contents and tabbing it might be a good idea. For some people it may be just as effective or more effective to have what you need on 1-2 pages. Do not shrink the print down. What goes on those 2 pages are things that will be too hard to memorize or distinguish. Things that are easy to memorize / distinguish just stay in your head. Or at least that's how I did it.

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General Board / Re: Federal Income Tax Cases
« on: November 01, 2007, 09:38:07 PM »
I never said the OP shouldn't take Tax. I agree its a useful class for personal knowledge and practice.

My advice:

1. Figure out who the best prof is from the other students in your school. Maybe try sitting in on some classes to see what prof you like. Look for a prof that actually explains things, like how to do the calculations...you don't want a prof that talks tax policy all day.

2. If you can take it pass / fail or audit the course, do that.

3. Do not take the course in a semester where you have a bunch of other difficult courses.

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General Board / Re: I Need Civ Pro Studying Advice Please
« on: November 01, 2007, 09:31:29 PM »
Civ Pro Example and Explanations by Glannon. Make sure you get the most recent edition.

Get it pronto.

Other than that, this book is good for the FRCPs. Do not buy full-price edition. Call the publisher and tell them you want the cheaper student edition.

http://jonesmcclure.com/product.asp?prod=98

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General Board / Re: Federal Income Tax Cases
« on: October 31, 2007, 09:21:19 PM »
The Tax Code is on the IRS website. If poring over that and doing things like calculating capital gain tax rates doesn't seem interesting to you, then you can forget about taking Tax.

Oh, and if you thought classes like Evidence were tough, you have no idea what's in store for you when you take Tax.

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I would definitely not recommend this. No guarantee that you'll be able to pull it off or even if your target school in your home state will have room for transfers. Plus, if you are truly unhappy it can and probably will affect your grades, even if you did well on a midterm. Midterms are not good predictors of actual grades anyway.


Is there any way you could stick it out till the rest of the year, and then try to transfer?


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