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Transferring / Re: Transfer or Stay w/ Scholarship
« on: November 29, 2007, 03:52:10 PM »
The point of transferring is more choices. At my old tier 2, there were only a handful of big firms at OCI and they tended to be very very picky. The students that had the grades to transfer but chose to stay behind wound up with very mixed results. A few students wound up with no offers at all after fall OCI despite having top grades and even being on law review. Basically, at your tier 2, there will be no guarantees no matter what the school tells you about placement.

The students that transferred into my new school, a T14, have mostly gotten biglaw jobs with ease if they bid strategically and were not adamant about only joining a certain practice group. Basically you have to understand the state of the job market and understand that the big firms will essentially put you into a practice area where they want you to be when you join permanently. You don't really have a big say in choosing a practice group. Your career office will fill you in.

As an extreme example, one student transferred from one of the very worst tier 4 schools in the country still got a biglaw job in a big city paying market rate.

Firms will discount your grades a little, but that doesn't mean you can't get a biglaw job. It just means that the very top Vault firms are probably out. The word on the street is that employers treated transfers who were top 10% at their old school like a top 1/3 or median student at the T14. Since big firms recruit quite deep at T14s, that's not really a bad place to be. Again, if you are strategic and prep for interviews it shouldn't be too difficult to get a biglaw job as a transfer to a T14.

If you really want to work at a big firm, transfer. If debt is a major issue and you are okay with the risk involved with staying then stay.

Transferring / Re: Transfer or Stay w/ Scholarship
« on: November 29, 2007, 09:36:40 AM »
Rocky, when will you be graduating? My guess is you are doing a spring transfer here?

Anyway, if you are graduating in May 2009 and don't already have a biglaw summer associate position lined up, you may have missed the boat on biglaw for the most part as most of the hiring occurs during fall of 2L year. It might be possible to get a job during spring of 2L or during 3L OCI but that is kind of hit or miss....

If you are graduating in 2010 (b/c you started in the spring or started part-time) you should be fine. Screening interviews at every T14 except UVA are based on a lottery - bidding system...everyone gets initial interviews no matter what their grades are. However, not all big law firms will hire just anyone and most will ask for a transcript. If you transfer, your career office at the new school should help you bid strategically.

General Board / Constitutional Law...looking for practice exams
« on: November 28, 2007, 05:09:30 PM »
If anyone has any Con Law essay exams (especially ones with model answers) they wouldn't mind sharing, please PM me.

My prof has made a weird hodgepodge out of the class (instead of the standard class on the Federal System vs. one on Individual Rights) and we've covered the following topics so far. I'm really looking for essays on these topics, not a standard comprehensive Con Law exam.

Equal Protection
Commerce Power / Interstate Commerce
Racial / Gender classifications & Affirmative Action
Congressional power / Necessary and Proper Clause
Executive power
Due process


General Board / Federal Income Tax - looking for practice exams.
« on: November 28, 2007, 05:04:24 PM »
If anyone has some Fed Tax essay exams they wouldn't mind sharing, please PM me. Essay exams with model answers are especially appreciated.

Also, has anyone used Exam Pro for Fed Tax? If so, how beneficial would it be for an Tax essay exam? Thanks.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: rant, depressed
« on: November 27, 2007, 11:04:07 AM »
First, who is "smarter" or appears smarter in class doesn't matter. Most of the kids who sounded smart in class during my 1L year ended up with average grades or below. The number 1 student in my section after 1L year was a frat guy everyone thought was an airhead. How smart you sound in class has zero correlation with 1L grades.

1L study groups are a complete waste of time in my opinion...sort of like the blind leading the blind.

As for the problems your having with studying, my guess is, like most 1Ls you spent way too much time throughout the semester reading & briefing cases instead of learning the concepts you need to know for your exam.

The best advice I can give you at this point is to focus on outlining, the Examples and Explanations book for each of your courses, and practice exams. I would ditch your casebooks altogether at this point. I'm not joking. Outlining, practice exams, and using supplements like the E&E to understand the material are far more important than knowing the exact facts of case X. You can just pull up the Lexis brief if you need to, looked a canned brief like Casenotes or Legalines, or just take notes in class and forget about the cases altogether. Frankly you don't have time to do the reading and everything else, and the reading should be the absolute LAST priority at this point. I have followed this strategy since the beginning and it's worked very well for me. I did well enough first year to transfer from a tier 2 to a T14.

Did you do Leews? Well, you should have.

Note: I have my own exams to worry about so I won't be replying to this topic until after winter break.

Good Luck.

Transferring / Re: Visiting UofM or NOVA HELLLP!!
« on: November 25, 2007, 10:50:14 AM »
You should definitely look carefully at your own school's policies on visiting before anything else. Some schools have restrictive policies on letting a student visit at another school for the 3rd year.

More than anything, I would try hard to find some kind of internship in FL this summer. That should help you make network and make contacts even if the visiting thing doesn't work out.

Transferring / Re: PT hoping to transfer to FT and school. Advice?
« on: November 21, 2007, 09:22:41 PM »
This advice is off.  I transferred from a tier 2 to a t14.

First, do not retake the LSAT b/c schools just don't care about your LSAT at this stage in the game, they care about stellar 1st year law school grades, and very little else.

The recommendations are required but they will not make a bit of difference if you don't have the grades. If you do have the grades, a standard rec letter saying you're a bright student and got a high grade in the prof's class will suffice...this didn't stop me from getting in as a transfer..

Part-time work is really up to likely won't make a bit of difference for transferring though. Only do it if you want to or need to.

You'll have to be in the top 10-15% per your LAW SCHOOL GRADES, to get in, most likely. If you don't have those types of LAW SCHOOL grades, you probably won't get in, it's that simple.

GULC is a better bet since they take more transfers than UVA, and they also have an EA transfer acceptance program where some people get in based on one semester of can't attend until the next year though. GULC also has a p/t program that you could transfer into, if you have the grades, assuming it wouldn't be possible to switch to full time. Whether or not you can switch to full time largely depends on the school you want to transfer'll have to call them and ask.

Focht, stop posting uninformed transfer advice.

Here are some things I would try to have ready:

Good recommendations from law professors who can say that you're going to do well at a school like UVA or Georgetown, which is more than grades.

You may also want to show initiative by filling up your time with some kind of work or research or something so that you're not only doing part-time law school. In the DC area for example, Skadden has a midnight legal assistant job, that is kind of brutal, but there may be other opportunities.

I think if you have an LSAT score that could be higher it could be worthwhile to retake it.

Those are all of my ideas. =)

General Board / Re: Non-Legal Jobs
« on: November 09, 2007, 01:57:41 AM »
What kind of school to you go to? Prestigious? If not, what about your undergrad?

What kind of grades do you have?

Consulting firms usually want people from top probably won't get extra points for having a law degree considering they can meet their recruiting goals with students from top MBA programs and top UGs.

General Board / Re: Can you transfer if you are a part time student?
« on: November 08, 2007, 07:32:53 PM »
It largely depends on the schools you hope to apply to as a transfer. Transferring to another part-time program shouldn't pose any problems logistically. If you hope to attend full-time next year some schools may allow you to transfer credits taken in the summer at your original school to catch up. Others will not. You'll have to call the schools you're interested in applying to transfer to and see what they say.

Transferring / Re: taking transfer questions
« on: November 07, 2007, 04:33:29 PM »
Depends on the school. At several, the answer is no. Not that it should matter though because you'd likely already have a permanent job offer lined up by then. If for some reason you don't, you could still list your class rank at graduation on your resume.

Can u still graduate with honors from a transfer school? Like order of the coif?

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