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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Pre-law magazines
« on: June 30, 2004, 12:47:25 PM »

anything to help out a fellow Canuck (unless you're not Canadian - in that case you're not allowed to read my post).

just kidding.  i'm from Toronto and am going to a law schol in Long Island in August.  here's a board i trolled a bit when i applied to Canadian law schools.  lots of good stuff on specific schools.

if you have any general questions about the process (i'm pretty familiar with the Canadian schools too) than you can always e-mail me.  the best thing to do is find someone who's practicing right now in Toronto or Calgary (the two hottest markets) and ask them what it's really like.

hope this helps.

if you want info on just the legal industry and general stuff, i suggest going to  click on the advice columsn like "Advice for the Lawlorn", "Crossroads",  "Work/life Wisdom".  Search past questions and answers and it'll give you a general feel.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NY/PA Schools/Corporate Counsel
« on: June 28, 2004, 11:48:31 AM »
It's okay.  Us Canadians are real polite and we're use to the unabashed arrogance of our neighbours from the South.   ;)

If BigLaw (that's those big firms) isn't your main goal then both Syracuse and Buffalo will be just fine. 

Buffalo's incoming class of 2003 looked like this:  GPA (25%-75%) 3.16-3.66.  LSAT (25%-75%) 153-158.

Syracuse's incoming class of 2003 looked like this:  GPA (25%-75%) 3.17-3.55.  LSAT (25%-75%) 150-155.

So again, if you get a 158 you should be fine.  That being said, Buffalo is ranked higher and is much cheaper so if you're not going to BigLaw - you might want to lessen your debt load (unless you're not taking out loans).  My friend just graduated from Albany last year and even his school (a tier 3) saw many people place well and in the higher end of the salary range you're looking for.

Good Luck, Stray.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NY/PA Schools/Corporate Counsel
« on: June 28, 2004, 11:07:23 AM »
I applied to both and your GPA is high enough that it should off-set a lower score on the LSAT.

That being said, I think if you shoot 158 or higher, you'll probably seem some dollars from them in the form of scholarship.

Best bet is to check out this site:

punch in your GPA and several LSAT scores.  Then look for Cuse and Buffalo.  I'm guessing you want to stay in upstate New York - but if you want to go into Corporate Law, you have a decent shot at higher tiered schools like Cardozo and Brooklyn with your grades.  And if you do extremely well on the LSAT, you could try for the top schools like NYU, Columbia and Fordham.

That's why if you want to do Corporate work, it's best to go the highest ranking school possible - because that's where the biggest law firms go to recruit and they handle the most corporate work.  Just MHO but goodluck!

How did you get into an LLM program without a law degree (LLB)?  Are you from England?
Which program are you referring to?

I don't understand some finer points in your e-mail.  Are you expecting to graduate with a JD/LLM in the US and sit for a bar and immediately return to your country?  Or do you plan on working afterwards?  Won't you have to sit for the bar exam in your home country as well?  and if you eventually plan on working there, what's the point in sitting for the NY bar?

Please clarify and it will help to give advice.  As for the required credits for the New York Bar, click on the link below and it should answer most of your questions.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: have you told your employer yet?
« on: June 25, 2004, 12:47:30 PM »
thanks for all the's good to know that i'm not the only one feeling a bit weird.

i can't say enough about how much a good boss is worth.  it makes work so much better and it's sad that i can't say that about the situation i'm in right now.

i think i'm just going to make it terse and say that "i have another opportunity elsewhere".  if they really probe, i don't mind telling them about school.  they don't have a clue right now and i've been getting a lot more responsibilities and they've hinted at a future move-up.  that's why i feel a bit torn and feel that i should let them know sooner rather than later.

i'm in the same boat in that i need every paycheck in July to make sure all my finances are in order before i go.  otherwise i'd be enjoying the summer and getting stoked for school.

c'est la vie!  i wonder if this is a topic for a "legal ethics" class?

thanks again, all.  if you have any advice in the future, please holler!

Incoming 1Ls / have you told your employer yet?
« on: June 25, 2004, 11:48:59 AM »
for those that are currently working, have you told your employer yet that you're going to law school?

i'm not too happy where i work right now and i'm thinking of resigning in mid-July with two weeks notice.  i dunno if i should even tell them that i'm leaving for school cuz i don't find it to be any of their business.

any advice on how to handle this would be appreciate.  also, for those that have already given notice, how are you being treated by your employer and fellow co-workers now that they know.



General Off-Topic Board / Re: How do you guys get away with it?
« on: June 18, 2004, 10:18:51 AM »
i was just gonna say what dsong02 beat me to.

my fingers are always on "alt+tab".


getting busted by your boss at work sucks.  but it helps when you work at my job and have nothing to do for half the day.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Pre-school study plan
« on: June 17, 2004, 10:24:35 AM »

By that time we will be thoroughly jaded and bitter.  We plan to write a diatribe on the evils of law schools and lawyers, which will be called Everything You Need To Know To Hate Law School and will be offered on Amazon at a price of $125,000.  It will cost as much as law school and will come with a nice diploma for a JOD, (Jerked-Off Doctorate).


 ;D JeffJoe....don't be a cantankerous old man!  hahahaha.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Pre-school study plan
« on: June 17, 2004, 06:25:25 AM »
It doesnt matter how in love with the law you school is designed to have this affect (according to a family member who is a law prof/admissions board director) because it is the best weeding out method they have after the admission process...hence many schools 30-50% drop out rate for 1L's.

Sorry Sarahz,

don't mean to pick on you.  I personally agree with dta, but I also completely respect your opinion and think that those that choose your method of preparation can be extremely successful in law school.  So regarding this thread, I think it's pointless to go on.

I do suggest however, that come the end of January after our first semester is over and we get our marks back, posters such as GA Krista, JeffJoe, dta, Findendeaux (sorry about the spelling) and you can come back and share your experiences.

As for the quote above, I sure hope you typed that in error because to see 30-50% of my class drop out after 1L would be much too Paper-Chase-ish for me.  When you referred to "many" schools experiencing this type of attrition numbers, which schools were you referring too?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Pre-school study plan
« on: June 16, 2004, 09:15:18 AM »
GA Kristi,

you only have to look at the book to get testimonials from students who have had success with the PLS II approach.  that's not saying much though.  I just want to know since you've talked to current students and lawyers, those that told you to relax before going to law school - how did they do in school?  Cuz I'm just wondering if 90% or so don't get those A's, doesn't it take away from the advice by that same majority who tell you to take it easy?


you're completely right.  I can't abashedly rant about the legal profession without doing relative comparisons to doctors/dentists/nurses.  It's just that since I'm going to be a law student soon, our profession strikes a very big chord with me.  It's not enough that we have to hear the constant lawyer jokes or struggle with the dilemma of billing hours over a life.  It's not the fact that even now we can see how so many of our soon to be profession have used the law to advance greed, corruption, oppression, and hate. 

It would be nice if the starting ground of our profession would truly have the intent to produce excellent lawyers.  Maybe then so many of them wouldn't turn out to be the way they are.

Excellent points all.  My lunch break is over.  You guys have persuaded me that I'm being over-zealous.  I'll definitely try to enjoy myself more this summer and not worry too much about being under-prepared.  My family, girlfriend, and buddies will thank you for it since I'm driving them crazy these days!


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