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i'm not a law student yet but i think i know the answer to this one:

a brief is a summary of the individual cases that are covered in class.

an outline is a summary of the entire course and how the cases fit into the general scope of the course. 

i think an example would be for torts, you can have 3 different cases explaining exceptions to intentional torts (don't even know if this is correct) and in your outline there would be a heading with intentional torts and these 3 cases cited as examples of exceptions.

most books i've read and people i've talked to suggest buying commercial outlines for each course.  that way you can see the relevance to which case you're briefing within the scope of the entire subject.  but they also suggest to create your own outline since it gives you a better grasp/understanding of the material.  also, many outlines are handed down from upper-years with students who have previously taken the course with the same professor - some of these are gold and some are crap.  you may need to join a student association in order to get some.

that's just what i've read and heard anyway.  don't know if it's accurate or not.

General Board / Re: can you do it all in law school?
« on: June 22, 2004, 08:36:42 AM »
thanks, Helpful Harry.

I really wanted to be realistic in my expectations and your advice helps me to do that.


General Board / can you do it all in law school?
« on: June 21, 2004, 10:39:17 AM »

i'm a soon to be 1L in law school...and i know that it is way too early to be thinking about my second and third years before even finishing 1L.  i was just wondering if any current students know of individuals who have done the following 3 simulatenously things during school:

1.  made Law Review
2.  participated in moot court or inter-mural moot court competition
3.  participated in a legal clinic offered by the school

i only ask because all three interest me to a great degree and i know the criteria for most of them (good grades, etc.).  but from what i can tell, while in school there is absolutely no way that a student can handle all 3 of these things, while maintaining good grades, no matter how good they are at time management.

as for some other advice, besides law review, as a law student, which one would you do if you had to choose between the two:  moot competitions or legal clinics?

thanks in advance for any advice.


General Off-Topic Board / Re: Foreigners & Citizenship
« on: July 13, 2004, 04:57:25 PM »
You might want to check up on the law schools you're applying to.  From what I've heard, most law schools will only give foreign students an LLM and not a JD. 

i've never heard of a law school not admitting an international student to the JD program. 

i think cal4ever might be confused with foreign-trained lawyers (those students from other countries that already hold the equivalent of a JD) but want to practice in the U.S.  these students don't have to do a 3-year JD and instead just do a one-year LLM and in most cases are allowed to sit for the bar exams in most states (like CA and NY).

i'm assuming Mukhia doesen't have a LLB or some type of foreign law degree.  in that case it's perfectly alright with almost every school i know to apply to the JD program.  in fact, most schools like to report that thing so that it shows the school has name recognition outside of the US.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Foreigners & Citizenship
« on: July 13, 2004, 04:17:50 PM »
many schools offer merit scholarships regardless of your nationality or just have to do some groundwork - if not on the website, calling their financial aid office and international students office (which you are, even though you've been in the US for 7 years).

if not, there are a lot of private loan companies that will shell out the cash based on your credit-worthiness.  usually this entails having an American co-signer so i hope you're tight with a US citizen/permanent resident.  the American co-signer usually has to have at least 3 years of good US credit history.  if you've been here for 7 years, i'm assuming you have US credit history as well and that will factor into the decision for approval, but mainly on the co-signer.

after your first year, most schools that don't offer merit scholarships to international students will let you apply for assistantships.  working for a prof or on campus, they sometimes pay for tuition and a stipend for living expenses - again, some research is required.  also, some schools offer merit scholarships after the first year to kick-ass students, some sponsored by the school, but mainly by private firms.

check out:  www.internationalstudentloan. com 
also, citiassist and accessgroup also have international student loan products.

if you want it that badly (your law degree that is) these loans may be an option.

good luck.

it's not a conspiracy.  at Hofstra, we started a discussion group for incoming 1Ls.  one of our members got the same offer (Rutgers-Camden) and sent it in - they accepted him with $$$ and he's withdrawn from our school.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: How useful are calculators?
« on: July 07, 2004, 01:50:09 PM »
thanks, dta!

explains a lot  ;D since i didn't think i had a 600% chance of getting into Harvard!!!

Where should I go next fall? / Re: How useful are calculators?
« on: July 07, 2004, 01:38:14 PM »
maybe i'm doing something wrong here...

i plug in my numbers just for fun (they suck BTW) and it starts off at schools like Harvard and Yale and my chances are like 6.7 and 7.1 respectively.

then i continue to scroll down and schools like the one i got into are like 0.2411 (Hofstra).

how am i suppose to interpret them?  is the decimal displaced for the top schools?  also, how are the schools listed?  by ranking?

any help here would be appreciated.  this site just reinforced how much of a miracle it was that i got into my school.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Atticus Falcon Rant
« on: July 02, 2004, 11:48:38 AM »

We're all afraid, and fear begets all sorts of ugliness.

agreed.  and you're right, it takes two to tango.

at least you have a year to do the method!  i'm on the six-week binge which is somewhat intense.  i am giving myself a WHOLE WEEK before school starts to just veg and hang out with friends.  best of luck to you and i'll tell you how PLS works for me in school and what the results were - without going into too many specifics.. ;)

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Atticus Falcon Rant
« on: July 02, 2004, 09:14:36 AM »

have you read the Delaney books yet?  I found his Legal Reasoning aid really helpful.  Just a hint, when you go through the cases and try to brief them, I suggest making a template of his outline questions in Word (or whatever) and then just filling in each section.

as for the rest of this board, dta...don't try to convince or convert them (apologies ahead of time Ginatio, JeffJoe, and RuskieGirl...not directed at anyone).  if you believe that what you're doing is getting you prepped for law school, continue to do so.

why I'm suggesting to you that you might let this topic go is for a variety of reasons.  the reason why PLS is such a hot topic is because it strikes a chord (intentionally) on a person's character and intention for law school.  "if you don't do it you'll fail!".  and as you well know, dta, neither of us can claim that.  "why not prep?  don't you take law school seriously?"..i'm sure JeffJoe and RuskieGirl take law school very seriously.  and it seems that PLS advocates insinuate this when they convince others of the approach.

dta, i think you and i try and argue and pontificate on the merits of PLS for two reasons: 

1.  because we want to convince ourselves and others that we are doing the right thing.
2.  because we want to aid others and inform them of the approach (which would justify reason number 1 a bit).

of all the contradicting opinions i've heard about law school, i know of one constant:  in first year, everyone will question whether they belong at law school.  everyone in first year will question whether they have what it takes, whether they made the right decision, and if they know what's going on.

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