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« on: June 20, 2006, 06:50:26 AM »
So are you saying that this guy doesn't even go to law school with part-timers? I could care less about the affirmative action issue - that's another topic. But I assumed he actually had some classes with part-timers on which he based his overly broad assumptions. The students.
Hey there ballbag, at least a good portion of the night students have already proved themselves in the "real" world and many are sucessful in there careers but just looking for the edge that a law degree can give them. The same could be said for Day STudents because there are quite a few that have done nothing but attend school for the past 22 years. In hiring someone fresh out of law school, most employers would love to see some actual work experience instead of a professional student.
Thanks for proving my point. I went through night school throughout undergrad, and I personally know quite a few in law school now. Generally speaking, they all lack the capacity to carry on a conversation without boring the class with there "at my job we do it this way..., that not what its like in the real world..., ohhh the how hard I have it..." stories, as if they on a monopoly on adversity in life. Guess what, no wants to hear your life story every week.
The fact that you have all sorts of real world experience that employers are going to drool over is great, but do me a favor an keep it to your self. If someone were to go around telling everyone that employers are going to love them because they are on law review and or the top ten percent of their class, you would think they are a feminine hygiene product.
Likewise, telling everyone how much money you are making during law school, maxing out your 401(k) and what have you, is about as cool as a trust fund baby bragging about his new 500 CLK. It may you feel good to hear yourself, but everyone else wants to puke. Be proud of you accomplishments, and shut up.
Moreover, you can be proud of the fact that you raise a family, and work, and go to law school, but keep it to yourself. Everyone has their own problems they need to deal with, be it work, a sick family member, or who knows what. Everyone has problems; most people just don't have the need to tell people everyday.
I know there are people like this in day sections too, it just seems for concentrated and visible at night school.
On a more practical note, the differing schedules for night students out side of school makes it hard to coordinate study time and stuff. (hence my ballbag worthy comment “the students” being the problem). Also, office hours for profs are usually by appointment at night, so you can’t just drop in.
As far as classes, at my brother’s school, the day students usually make up about have the evening classes, because they always offer the major electives at night.
Generally, stuff like career services and the registrar only have one night a week they are open late, which can be a pain.
Some bold statements from an Affirmative Action Admit that slid into the best schools by the skin of his balls, literally....
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« on: June 20, 2006, 04:25:10 AM »
This is just one big huge generalization. There may be some part-timers that brag about their jobs. But there also are some full-timers who think the year they spent as a paralegal after college makes them the expert on all legal matters. I've met plenty of part-time students, and there are a few that are too proud of themselves. But there are douches in every class. I've also met some incredibly bright people and spoken them for a long time without knowing what they do during the day (and when I eventually find out, it's something impressive enough that they could have bragged about, but didn't). I considered going to school full-time, but I chose to continue working for personal and financial reasons. Yes, I took a different path than you did. I don't expect to be praised for it or to have any leg up in the job market. Grades are the determining factor for any full-time OR part-time student, and anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves. However, I also don't expect someone who knows nothing about me to judge me because I chose to go part-time. The students.
Hey there ballbag, at least a good portion of the night students have already proved themselves in the "real" world and many are sucessful in there careers but just looking for the edge that a law degree can give them. The same could be said for Day STudents because there are quite a few that have done nothing but attend school for the past 22 years. In hiring someone fresh out of law school, most employers would love to see some actual work experience instead of a professional student.
Thanks for proving my point. I went through night school throughout undergrad, and I personally know quite a few in law school now. Generally speaking, they all lack the capacity to carry on a conversation without boring the class with there "at my job we do it this way..., that not what its like in the real world..., ohhh the how hard I have it..." stories, as if they on a monopoly on adversity in life. Guess what, no wants to hear your life story every week.
The fact that you have all sorts of real world experience that employers are going to drool over is great, but do me a favor an keep it to your self. If someone were to go around telling everyone that employers are going to love them because they are on law review and or the top ten percent of their class, you would think they are a feminine hygiene product.
Likewise, telling everyone how much money you are making during law school, maxing out your 401(k) and what have you, is about as cool as a trust fund baby bragging about his new 500 CLK. It may you feel good to hear yourself, but everyone else wants to puke. Be proud of you accomplishments, and shut up.
Moreover, you can be proud of the fact that you raise a family, and work, and go to law school, but keep it to yourself. Everyone has their own problems they need to deal with, be it work, a sick family member, or who knows what. Everyone has problems; most people just don't have the need to tell people everyday.
I know there are people like this in day sections too, it just seems for concentrated and visible at night school.
On a more practical note, the differing schedules for night students out side of school makes it hard to coordinate study time and stuff. (hence my ballbag worthy comment “the students” being the problem). Also, office hours for profs are usually by appointment at night, so you can’t just drop in.
As far as classes, at my brother’s school, the day students usually make up about have the evening classes, because they always offer the major electives at night.
Generally, stuff like career services and the registrar only have one night a week they are open late, which can be a pain.
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« on: June 19, 2006, 05:24:27 PM »
Please elaborate. The students.
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« on: June 19, 2006, 04:48:49 PM »
Bulletproof logic.
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« on: June 17, 2006, 10:58:02 AM »
I don't know about that. There are a lot more Brooklyn grads (Tier 2) with good NYC jobs than grads of NYLS, Hofstra, or Pace. I'm starting in the fall at a tier 4 school, and I have found some of the comments in this thread surprising. I was accepted to "better" schools (even a tier 1), but decided that this tier 4 school will be the best fit for me for a variety of reasons. I do not intend on transferring, and kind of resent that so many people attending tier 4s are so incredibly quick to point out that they are going to end up transferring. Can't anybody just be happy, even for a second? I really don't see what the big deal is. Tier 2-4 schools are all regional schools for the most part, so I strongly doubt that it really makes a huge difference between a tier 2 and a tier 4. It reminds me so much of stupid girls (and guys, too) who get so label obsessed that they can't be seen in public without their fill-in-the-blank purse (or whatever). Rankings are just labels, and it's pathetic to get so caught up in it and make major life decisions based on a silly magazine (and the people who subscribe to it). Just do what makes you happy.
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« on: June 13, 2006, 12:18:44 PM »
PT programs are created for people who work during the day, so I'm sure you can work part-time or full-time during the day. They wouldn't have the part-time program if you couldn't. Obviously you'll have to manage every second of your time, but many people are able to do that every year. That said, I wouldn't take a job that requires you to work overtime. You want a more routine schedule.
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« on: June 07, 2006, 03:21:08 PM »
Save $990 and buy Law School Confidential. If you're ambitious, buy Planet Law School 2.
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« on: June 02, 2006, 07:34:19 AM »
Unfortunately, I don't start school until August, and I know nothing about U of Iowa, other than Iowa City is a pretty cool place. But I had seriously considered going to GMU (ended up deciding on GW). It was a tough call, though, particularly because GMU's in-state tuition is so cheap. Even if you're out of state, if you play your cards right you can qualify for in-state tuition by 2L.
Here were the things that impressed me about GMU:
- The placement in federal government legal jobs is very high. I don't know about ultra-competitive jobs like DOJ Honors and State, but it seems like GMU has a fair number of grads in many of the big departments.
- As you mentioned, the Nobel Laureate economists. And more broadly, the economics focus. It seems like a very practical approach to law.
- Location. You can't get much better real-world legal experience than being in the DC area.
- Small class size. I like having a smaller number of students in the incoming class. You get to know people better and there's more opportunity for individual attention.
- Adjunct faculty. Thanks to GMU's location, some very impressive, real-world practitioners teach there.
- The building. While it's not a gorgeous, traditional law school campus, it certainly meets the needs of a law school, and it's conveniently on the metro line.
Here were some negatives:
-Ultimately, what caused me to choose GW over GMU was the reputation among employers. I spoke to many current GMU students. Even some of them said that if they had the choice, they'd be at GW, only because of the name recognition. True, both GW and GMU are behind Georgetown. But GW is clearly the second best in the DC area, and GMU is pretty much tied with AU for third. Personally, after visiting both schools, I think GMU is far better than AU. But AU has been around longer and has a larger alumni base.
- About 100 employers interview on campus at GMU, and if you want a good shot at actually getting a biglaw job, you need to be in top 10 percent + journal.
- It's very difficult to get a job out of GMU law school that isn't in the DC area or southeast. Before March Madness, nobody outside of the DC area had ever heard of George Mason University.
- The faculty definitely has a conservative bias. I didn't get the sense that this had much impact on the composition of the student body, but it's definitely something to consider.
- Four semesters of GRADED legal writing.
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« on: May 24, 2006, 08:34:49 PM »
Wow, the more I read about law school, the more I realize how pointless the Socratic method is. Anyone care to defend it?
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« on: May 23, 2006, 04:27:37 PM »
But is it worth briefing every case your professor assigns? Or would it make more sense to read the cases, make notes in the margins, and focus more attention on the black letter law?
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