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General Board / Re: Bad Lsat scores
« on: January 09, 2008, 11:02:49 PM »
retake the test
take an lsat class
get an lsat tutor
study like its your 9-5 job
take as many practice tests that you can get your hands on, and go over each question that you get correct and wrong and find out why

what is your "bad" score.  i mean, are you scoring in the 130's? if so, then the above suggestions may be very helpful.  Are you in the low 150's? if so, i dont think that qualifies as a "bad" score.  a little more info would help

during 2l OCI, i dont think grades were ever brought up in discussion.  If they were, it was only in passing, as in "looks like you did well your first year"

if an atty asks you about a grade/s, then modestly talk about it, but you never want to initiate a discussion about your grades.  really, once you have secured the interview, your grades dont matter.  Very generally speaking, if you were granted an interview, then your grades are acceptable for that employer. 

I got a lot of the "why XX school?" during my interiews.  I was pretty honest.  I said that I was looking for a school that would give me the most options, would enable me to be the most mobile, and would enable me to re-enter the workplace if I had to leave for a period of time or transfer to another city.  As long as you don't say, "I went there because every other school is TTT" you should be fine.

Thanks, I think that is helpful advice.  Do you think I should bring a writing sample / list of references?  Neither place has requested either but I suppose they would be good to have on hand.  Who do people generally use as refereces, law professors they have a good relationship with?  Former employers (if in an unrelated field even?)  I suppose I will be spending today and tomarrow reading lots about interviews, probably some good stuff on vault somewhere.

I did not bring a list of references or a writing sample.  One firm requested a writing sample, which I mailed with my resume and cover letter. 

The best advice I can give you is to get a list beforehand of all the attorneys you will be meeting with.  That way you can make specific references to their type of practice, a prominent case they tried, book they published, etc. when you ask them questions.  Questions that you ask them serve a few purposes, one of which is purely informative--like asking how many different practice areas you will work with during the summer.  The other purpose is to make them think you are really intelligent, capable, and prepared.  So when it comes time to ask them a question, instead of something general like, "So why did you pick this firm?" you can say, "You went to school in California and spent some time in a New York firm.  What made you decide to move to Atlanta?  What led you to this firm in particular?"  Way, way more impressive.

while you're correct about the importance of researching the firms and interviewers with whom you meet, those questions really are not impressive and do not show that you are intelligent, capable, etc... The fact of the matter is, EVERYONE asks those questions.  And if EVERYONE asks the interviewer the same boring questions like "oh, i saw you went to school here, but chose to work there" or "specifically what led you to firm X", they are no longer good questions.  If you ask the same lame questions that everyone asks, you'll just become part of the big stack of resumes. 

So, try to think of original questions that you are truly interested in.  Everyone knows you could care less why specifically did interviewer X chose firm Y.  On top of that, I guarantee you that if you ask this question, you will get a canned answer from almost every atty you meet with.  S/he will give you the whole "oh the people here are just so great, better than you can find anywhere else, and you really get a sense that the firm is very cordial to its attys and really looks out for them, blah blah blah. 

Ask questions that you really want answered.  If you're interested in atty's personal experiences working in a particular practice group, ask them to tell you a personal/everyday story.  If your're doing a call back, pick a few questions that you really want answered and ask every atty you meet with so you can compare responses. 

Everyone is expected to be capable and prepared, but that only gets you so far in an interview.  So, show the interviewer that you are truly interested in the position.  And do that by asking real questions.

General Board / Re: Returning to law school after withdrawing
« on: January 02, 2008, 04:24:05 PM »
i dont know if that q was for the op or me. 

i withdrew during my first semester, so no grades, just W's for withdrawing. I returned to the school that i withdrew from and later transfered

General Board / Re: Returning to law school after withdrawing
« on: January 02, 2008, 11:28:19 AM »
first of all, schools will want to know if you left your prior school in good academic standing, you can get a letter verifying this from your old registrar.  i would just add an addendum in you apps stating you compelling interest to withdraw.  i would not retake the lsat unless 1) you are not satisfied with you score, or 2)your score is no longer valid (5 yrs i think?)

fwiw, i withdrew in my first semester.  i did no have a problem reentering thr next year, nor did this issue come up when i transferred or obtained 2l summer work.  also, i had a pretty compelling interest to withdraw.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: What to do when friends go crazy with exams?
« on: December 18, 2007, 12:07:46 PM »
then you are on the wrong board, my friend.

General Board / Re: Part-time work while attending school? Enough time??
« on: December 17, 2007, 06:51:17 AM »
missing one weekend per month is not a big deal, especially after your first year.  You may have to plan your assignments out in advance more than you normally would, but again, no big deal.

two weeks during the summer is probably not a big deal either.  like above, it will take some planning though.  generally, you will have 12-15 weeks off from school during the summer.  if you work for a firm, generally most will require a minimum 8-10 weeks.  so if you work things out in advance, you should be fine.  a poster above mentioned oci at the end of summer.  that is something that you'll have to plan out as well. 

General Board / Re: Transfer question
« on: December 16, 2007, 04:16:33 PM »
as far as firms wanting to see some grades from you new school, this has been my experience and observations of others transferring from t3/4 to a non t14 tl.  i transferred t2 to t25, and was luck enoough to get a couple decent gigs, but most had trouble, unless they were top 5-10%. 

I agree, if you transfer to t14, you are likley allready top 5-10%, and likley wont have any oci troubles.  BUT, if you are goint from t4 to t2 and you're only top 1/3, not only will you have to deal with most oci not looking at you beacause you're not top 25%, you also receive the transfer gpa discount, which will set you even lower. 

again, i agree with brightline that this is generally not the case for t14 xfers

General Board / Re: Transfer question
« on: December 16, 2007, 03:14:06 PM »
i agree with this last post.  if you want to work in the local area of your t4, stay there.  you should do alright locally being top 1/3.  But if you want to practice in the area of the t2, go there. definitely dont transfer to the 80s t2 because you think it'll up your chances nationally, that is generally not the case. 

as far as just going where it is cheaper, eh, transferring solely for the sake of saving a little jingle, I would advise against it.  transferring is a big process, you have to get acquainted with a new school, new procedures, stress of staring over academically and not knowing where you will fall academically for at least a full semester, the stress of being put on hold by firms at oci until you get some grades from your t2, having to start networking in a new place etc.....  Having to do all of this over just so save some $ is not a great idea to me UNLESS you are transferring to a 1) a school in the locale in which you KNOW you want to practice, or 2) xfering to a t25-30 or better (many argue only t14).

General Board / Re: Transfer question
« on: December 16, 2007, 10:52:49 AM »
gpa/class rank? which t4? which t2? where do you want to be when you graduate?

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