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Current Law Students / Re: Who wants to make me feel better?
« on: January 18, 2008, 10:02:38 AM »
i would also imagine that the first assignment is not graded with nearly as much scrutiny as subsequent assignments.  I assume that each the prof would expect more and more from you with each subsequent assignment.  so, not only would you have to pick up slack that you left off from your first memo, but you would also have to excel in the new "concepts."

Current Law Students / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 01:34:27 PM »
thanks for the replies.

i will probably not ask anyone; i agree, it wont change my situation. judging from the nalp forms and from the interviews, both firms were pretty clear that they historically make offers to all their sa's.  also, both firms are in small markets, meaning I have already had to jump the hurdle of proving my ties and intent to live in the are post-grad.  Hopefully that will help.

thanks again for the insight

Current Law Students / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 10:09:11 AM »
both are mid-sized firms

Current Law Students / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 10:01:27 AM »
How many employers planning on extending offers to SA's actually ask for an updated transcript?

honestly, I just assumed that they would.  is this incorrect?

Current Law Students / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 09:01:45 AM »
T2 = Tier 2 (top 100 school)
T25 = top 25 school

Current Law Students / Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 08:35:17 AM »
no real excuse here; transferred from a T2 to a T25 with a first year rank in the top 20%, and ended the my first 2L semester in the bottom 20%.  Actual grades may not seem horrible on their face, nothing below a B, but the curve is wicked inflated; hence the ranking.  I already secured a couple gigs at OCI for this summer.

Here's the question: if an employer requests an updated transcript/resume before extending an offer post graduation, how might an employer spin such a disgnificant drop?  Are first year grades from the previous school significantly discounted given the new grades at the new school, or are they both weighed and considered?  Generally, how much will performance on the job during the summer weigh in the equation? 

any experiences/insight appreciated.

Current Law Students / Re: Bad Lsat scores
« on: January 09, 2008, 08:02:49 PM »
retake the test
take an lsat class
get an lsat tutor
study like its your 9-5 job
take as many practice tests that you can get your hands on, and go over each question that you get correct and wrong and find out why

what is your "bad" score.  i mean, are you scoring in the 130's? if so, then the above suggestions may be very helpful.  Are you in the low 150's? if so, i dont think that qualifies as a "bad" score.  a little more info would help

during 2l OCI, i dont think grades were ever brought up in discussion.  If they were, it was only in passing, as in "looks like you did well your first year"

if an atty asks you about a grade/s, then modestly talk about it, but you never want to initiate a discussion about your grades.  really, once you have secured the interview, your grades dont matter.  Very generally speaking, if you were granted an interview, then your grades are acceptable for that employer. 

I got a lot of the "why XX school?" during my interiews.  I was pretty honest.  I said that I was looking for a school that would give me the most options, would enable me to be the most mobile, and would enable me to re-enter the workplace if I had to leave for a period of time or transfer to another city.  As long as you don't say, "I went there because every other school is TTT" you should be fine.

Thanks, I think that is helpful advice.  Do you think I should bring a writing sample / list of references?  Neither place has requested either but I suppose they would be good to have on hand.  Who do people generally use as refereces, law professors they have a good relationship with?  Former employers (if in an unrelated field even?)  I suppose I will be spending today and tomarrow reading lots about interviews, probably some good stuff on vault somewhere.

I did not bring a list of references or a writing sample.  One firm requested a writing sample, which I mailed with my resume and cover letter. 

The best advice I can give you is to get a list beforehand of all the attorneys you will be meeting with.  That way you can make specific references to their type of practice, a prominent case they tried, book they published, etc. when you ask them questions.  Questions that you ask them serve a few purposes, one of which is purely informative--like asking how many different practice areas you will work with during the summer.  The other purpose is to make them think you are really intelligent, capable, and prepared.  So when it comes time to ask them a question, instead of something general like, "So why did you pick this firm?" you can say, "You went to school in California and spent some time in a New York firm.  What made you decide to move to Atlanta?  What led you to this firm in particular?"  Way, way more impressive.

while you're correct about the importance of researching the firms and interviewers with whom you meet, those questions really are not impressive and do not show that you are intelligent, capable, etc... The fact of the matter is, EVERYONE asks those questions.  And if EVERYONE asks the interviewer the same boring questions like "oh, i saw you went to school here, but chose to work there" or "specifically what led you to firm X", they are no longer good questions.  If you ask the same lame questions that everyone asks, you'll just become part of the big stack of resumes. 

So, try to think of original questions that you are truly interested in.  Everyone knows you could care less why specifically did interviewer X chose firm Y.  On top of that, I guarantee you that if you ask this question, you will get a canned answer from almost every atty you meet with.  S/he will give you the whole "oh the people here are just so great, better than you can find anywhere else, and you really get a sense that the firm is very cordial to its attys and really looks out for them, blah blah blah. 

Ask questions that you really want answered.  If you're interested in atty's personal experiences working in a particular practice group, ask them to tell you a personal/everyday story.  If your're doing a call back, pick a few questions that you really want answered and ask every atty you meet with so you can compare responses. 

Everyone is expected to be capable and prepared, but that only gets you so far in an interview.  So, show the interviewer that you are truly interested in the position.  And do that by asking real questions.

Current Law Students / Re: Returning to law school after withdrawing
« on: January 02, 2008, 01:24:05 PM »
i dont know if that q was for the op or me. 

i withdrew during my first semester, so no grades, just W's for withdrawing. I returned to the school that i withdrew from and later transfered

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