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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: How bad of grades to drop out of top ten
« on: February 04, 2008, 07:39:53 AM »
I don't know about your particular T10 school, but Penn, for example (not mine--I'm higher  ;D) has 99% employmement at graduation, meaning at least 9% of the bottom 10% were employed.   Who know what those jobs were, or whether the jobs were the students first choice firm or city, but it's employment.

Do you have to be at a top firm?  Do you have to be at a firm at all?  How about a professor?  Look at what you want with your degree.  There are, frankly, some jobs that are not available to someone in the bottom 10%.  Wachtell, for example.  However, if all you want to do is practice law for a firm that you like in a city that you like, why not?  BTW, you should really talk to your career services center, as well as your academic advising center.  They meet with, oh I'd say 100% or so of the bottom 10% of each class every year.  They'll have some advice for you.

If a school has a 99% employment rate at graduation that DOES NOT mean that "at least 9% of the bottom 10% were employed."  The 1% that is "unemployed at graduation" might as well be a studnet in the top of the class.  In a different situation, your math gives the impression that if a school has an 80% employment rate at grad, the kids in the bottom 20% of the class should be concerned.  That is by no means true.

General Board / Re: Character and Fitness Concern - Petit Larceny
« on: January 29, 2008, 07:38:36 AM »
of course you will want to follow the bar assoc. advice, and of course you will want to explain you past actions, what you have learned etc.... And, of course you will want to walk the straight and narrow from now on. 

But, from what I have seen, i dont really agree with the above posters that the bar association will conduct an analysis to see if you have changed/reformed, really learned your lesson etc..  While you will need to include that info, basicailly what they are looking for is that you have completely disclosed absolutely everything in your past.  Again, I'm not an expert, but from what I know, honestly and disclosure are absolutely the most important aspects of the c&f.

General Board / Re: need help/advice
« on: January 28, 2008, 08:18:00 AM »
i have LEEWS if you are interested in buying it. All of the cds work and the books do not have any markings.  Send me a message if you are interested.

Transferring / Re: 3.5 GPA on a C+ curve at a T4
« on: January 19, 2008, 09:51:32 PM »
Think I have a shot at GULC EA?  What about American?  Boalt? 

Anyone have a rough guess of what GPA you have to have to be top 10 on a C+ curve?

A 3.5 GPA with a C+ curve (3.33) probably puts you in the top 25% but probably not the top 20%. I'm looking at multiple schools where the curve is C+ right now. It may be different for your school, but if your school is like these others, you're probably top 25%. From a tier 4, that won't be enough to get GULC and certainly not Berkeley. American you may be able to do, however.

3.33 is B+, 2.33 is C+.

General Board / Re: Who wants to make me feel better?
« on: January 18, 2008, 01:02:38 PM »
i would also imagine that the first assignment is not graded with nearly as much scrutiny as subsequent assignments.  I assume that each the prof would expect more and more from you with each subsequent assignment.  so, not only would you have to pick up slack that you left off from your first memo, but you would also have to excel in the new "concepts."

General Board / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 04:34:27 PM »
thanks for the replies.

i will probably not ask anyone; i agree, it wont change my situation. judging from the nalp forms and from the interviews, both firms were pretty clear that they historically make offers to all their sa's.  also, both firms are in small markets, meaning I have already had to jump the hurdle of proving my ties and intent to live in the are post-grad.  Hopefully that will help.

thanks again for the insight

General Board / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 01:09:11 PM »
both are mid-sized firms

General Board / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 01:01:27 PM »
How many employers planning on extending offers to SA's actually ask for an updated transcript?

honestly, I just assumed that they would.  is this incorrect?

General Board / Re: Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 12:01:45 PM »
T2 = Tier 2 (top 100 school)
T25 = top 25 school

General Board / Top 20% to bottom 20%
« on: January 17, 2008, 11:35:17 AM »
no real excuse here; transferred from a T2 to a T25 with a first year rank in the top 20%, and ended the my first 2L semester in the bottom 20%.  Actual grades may not seem horrible on their face, nothing below a B, but the curve is wicked inflated; hence the ranking.  I already secured a couple gigs at OCI for this summer.

Here's the question: if an employer requests an updated transcript/resume before extending an offer post graduation, how might an employer spin such a disgnificant drop?  Are first year grades from the previous school significantly discounted given the new grades at the new school, or are they both weighed and considered?  Generally, how much will performance on the job during the summer weigh in the equation? 

any experiences/insight appreciated.

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