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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Thomas Cooley Students
« on: April 11, 2008, 10:52:50 AM »

but it still doesnt make any sense though, that you say that because they are more liberal in their admissions policy, that it makes the school bad.    if you are saying that, then you are also saying that the level of education is garbage.  so if a school only allowed 10 people per term...that would be the best school?   regardless of level of education?

i dont think that was the argument.  the argument is that schools like cooley are fundamentally dishonest and therefore "bad" schools because they give underqualified students false expectations (while the school collects big bucks in tuition dollars).

as far as level of education is concered, again, that was not the argument. the argument is that the level of education is that your education at a school like cooley is significatly lower than T1 school x because of the lower level of discussion/learning in the classroom, which is many times, if not most of the time, a product of your peers responses/comments etc..

Current Law Students / Re: Bun in the Oven
« on: April 03, 2008, 07:27:17 AM »
This isn't a flame.

I was wondering if any of you have had a baby while in law school. If so, would you mind sharing some of your thoughts/stories/advice?

I am going to be a 3L next year and it appears I got my fiance all knocked up. Baby due around winter finals. ;D

It's less than convenient, but I will take it. Guess the big man likes throwing curve balls. All you can do is keep swinging away. I'm even getting a little (very) excited.

i'm actually in the same boat as you; wife due week before finals.  you'll be fine, just get some mom/mother in law help for that week.  As far as the whole "having a baby in school" thing goes, think about it this way: you're going to have to ask the same questions whether you are in school or working.  IMO, second semester 3l is a great time to have a kid, by the time you need to study for the bar, s/he's old enough for day care. 

Also, if you think about it, you're going to have the same "dillema" when you're out of school working 50-60hrs/week.  You'll probably have more time to be with the new runt while you're in school, as opposed to when you're working.


Transferring / Re: T3 to Where???
« on: March 19, 2008, 09:07:19 PM »
im pretty sure that last cycle w&m took very few transfers

i think the time suggestion is a good one.  i would think that it would be beneficial not only to your law school prospects, but your employment prospects in general if you were to focus on getting back into the groove of school, have a stong finish from UG, gain some sort of interesting employment for a year or two post UG and like the previous poster said, distance yourself (and/or continuing to seek help) from/for your special situation.

my gut reaction is that adcoms will generlly be more sympathetic if you can show that over a decent period of time you have learned frmo your prior situations and gained some good experience in the process.  It might be more difficult to legitimately show this learning experience if only a relative short time has passed.
btw, this is a completely uneducated response to the question.

Current Law Students / Re: # of OCI interviews and employers
« on: March 12, 2008, 07:12:58 PM »

But you should also look at how the OCIs are done.  If it's by firms select, then there's a good chance the same 15 kids will get interviews with most of the firms.  Unless you're one of the top students, you can count yourself out probably. 

At either of these schools, you should not expect to be hired through OCI.  Honestly, these are both extremely low numbers of employers at OCI.

Seconded.  This may seem like a large disparity, but it probably won't benefit you much to attend the school with betters numbers (unless we know more about the schools and your personal goals).


not so much here. 35 OCIs (i bet over half are public interest) might as well be 5.  out of those 35, maybe, just maybe a handful will actually end up hiring someone from your school.  There is no "large disparity," between 35 and 5, in fact, there is probably no disparity at all. 

my 1l school had about 35 ocis for 350 2Ls.  my current school has about 250 ocis for about 125 2ls.

Current Law Students / Re: Why can't I find a job?
« on: March 07, 2008, 10:37:35 AM »
i love it when people post questions like this, get a couple responses that they dont like, automatically label them as not being "constructive," and then say that they will no longer grace us with their presence on this board. 

boo hoo. 

and seriously, we know that you're still reading this thread.

Job Search / Re: Job offer but pay is low...should I counter?
« on: March 05, 2008, 07:01:22 AM »
this thread is hilarious.

op - the question is not whether you are worth an extra $2-5/hr, whether you can get a different low paying gig, whether your spanish skills may put you over, etc....  The question for you is, do you want substantive legal experience this summer?   It sounds like this would be some great experience that has potential to help you out in oci next fall and generally your employment prospects from here on. 

The only reason I can think of that you should be gunning for an extra couple of bucks is if you really need it to to support yourself, family, whatever.  From your posts you have not mentioned any sort of need; it seems that for you its some sort of prestige thing, which is funny, its only an extra couple of bucks an hour, and you're willing to pass up a decent job because of it.

Some of the previous posters are correct, many of your peers would kill just to have any kind of gig that will give them some legal experience.  You might say that you could give a crap whether your peers would kill for this position, or as you previously said, you dont buy into the whole notion that a t4 student should be grateful for this type of job.  That's fine.  But seriously, if you pass this job up, i'm sure all your buddies will be lined up at the door ready to take the job (without asking for a raise). 

Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Thomas Cooley Students
« on: March 04, 2008, 05:24:55 AM »
my favorite part the the last post was third full paragraph from the bottom, "no one else will give you a deal like Cooley"

deal?  hmmm, is that like, I give cooley 30k and wait for a year to see if i'm in the 1/3 of the class that gets the boot?

i think its great that you have found some positives about your school and have enjoyed the experience.  However, that does not dispose of the fact that law schools like cooley that prey on the ignorance of starry-eyed law school hopefuls are doing this world a huge disservice.

edit - when I say "ignorance," I am not saying that these lawschool hopefuls are ignorant.  I am talking about their ignorance of the terrible system they are about to enter.

Transferring / Re: T25 ---> T20
« on: February 29, 2008, 02:48:59 PM »
top 10-15% from a t25 should give you shots at t10 schools.  check the stats in the transfer apps databases, but i agree, if you're in the top half, maybe a little better, and you have a compelling reason you should be competitive, assuming the school you are looking at accepts transfers.

if for some reason you feel bad about commiting to LR and then transferring (which you shouldn't), then say thanks but no thanks. 

Just be sure to put on your resume something like "Law Review Invitation" and "xxxxSecondary Journal Invitation" At least from what I have seen in the transfer process, a law review invite will definitely carry some weight with OCI at your transfer school

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