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General Board / Re: When should I take the LSAT?
« on: September 19, 2008, 08:50:36 AM »
Ok, maybe I wasn't clear the first time, so I'll break it down:

1) The job market sucks if you're not at a top school, so you need a 170+ score to go anywhere T14 - especially if you're a white male. Our country currently hates white males. Don't know why.

2) Practice tests are NOT good indicators of your performance on test day (b/c it's not easy to recreate the actual testing environment, and you're probably cheating).

3) If you haven't taken a serious LSAT prep course, and you self-prep'd, you're probably in serious trouble (b/c the LSAT is DEFINITELY a preparedness test, NOT a "natural intelligence" affair).

4) Even if you score a 170+, some guy, like me, will probably destroy your GPA your first year because he's so pissed about his LSAT performance that he gets all A's to prove the test is crap.

** If you're still reading, and you're still interested in law school - know this - if you want anything bad enough, you'll probably get it one way or another... Even if that means transferring schools after your first year... But it's a tough road... Are you ready for that? Because if you aren't, and you're way too soft inside, you might not make it past your first semester... Several law students commit suicide each year either b/c they realize they won't be in biglaw when they graduate and cannot pay off the loans.  Several students report working harder than they ever have before only to finish at the bottom of their class... What will you do if this happens?  Three years of your life will disappear in the blink of an eye once you start, are you sure you will get a job that makes that exchange worth it?

I am trying to scare you a bit, but I'm not lying, don't waste your life just because you can't think of anything else to do.  YOU HAVE TO WANT THIS REALLY BAD OR YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT.



whoa.  its obvious that the op is a bit naive, but this is over the top.

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2L job search / Re: What to wear to a 2nd callback and accepting your offer
« on: September 13, 2008, 12:09:45 PM »
The SA gig IS part of the interview process, essentially.  But it's important to look where the power is.

The OP has an offer.  He's deciding whether to take it.  It's his/her own, additional investigation into the firm, it's culture, it's people.  It will NOT be any kind of formal interviews.  It will be him/her visiting with the people on a more personal level to gauge whether the firm is a good fit.  When YOU have the power, you no longer need to wear a suit if no one else at the firm wears a suit, IMO.

Once you're in the SA program, the power shifts back again.  You're competing for a permanent offer, and you're back in interview/impress mode.

I wasn't disputing power.  I was disputing whether or not it is part of the interview process.  Personally I think everything prior to full-time offer is part of the interview process.

exactly. 

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2L job search / Re: What to wear to a 2nd callback and accepting your offer
« on: September 11, 2008, 08:29:45 PM »
of course it is still part of the process. presumably, your end goal is not merely to get an SA gig, your end goal is to get a perm offer. if office dress is bus casual, then dress bus casual when you work there.  if you're going in for a follow up interview, dress like its an interview.

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2L job search / Re: What to wear to a 2nd callback and accepting your offer
« on: September 11, 2008, 08:17:38 AM »
without a doubt, wear a suit.  an informational meeting is still part of the overall application.interview process (with that said, so is your actual performance as an SA).  If you are going to their office to meet with a couple partners, dress appropriately, i.e. suit.  If your informational interview is at a happy hour, then business casual is probably ok.

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i think you'll be very lucky to hit wustl or gw with top 20%, assuming you maintain that.  not that it cant be done, but its certainly not the norm.  also, the comment referring to gulc's 15% comment on their website, again, that is not the norm in terms of xfer gpas. 

also, regarding the op's question of wustl's early admit....last cycle, wustl received so many apps that the only early admits were 4.0s; other than that, decisions seemed to roll in around july.  even so, you'll probably want to hope for a boost in your gpa if you're gunning for wustl.

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top 20% coming out of miami (im assuming from your name), i would apply to t25ish schools, but i dont think 20% will generally get you into a t20,and i dont think its worth it to transfer to a t30ish and lower.  when i applied as a transfer, i was around 15-20% and i got into two t25s and a handful of other t1s. 

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General Board / Re: So...bout how many...
« on: April 27, 2008, 08:49:04 PM »
i did as many full lengths as i could get my hand on during 1l. 

2l? i dont think i have done any, just a little issue spotting like thorc said.  however, its not that i do not need to do practice exams anymore.  if fact, i would do much better if i did.   i really just dont care enough to anymore.

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General Board / Re: Florida Coastal School of Law - 2008 discussion
« on: April 16, 2008, 08:14:46 AM »
i would easily take seton hall over fcsl, even over a full ride. 

its understandable that you want to make a decision now rather than later, but i think this is likely one of those situations where sucking it up, being patient and trying to work things out at seton hall is the best thing to do.

i wont trash talk fcsl here, but if money is the big thing, i hope you're not making your decision based on a conditional (im assuming) 10k/year.  looking at the big picture, and assuming that you're taking out additional loans for cost of living, gradutaing from fcsl with a likely 100K+ in debt is not any better than graduating from seton hall with $150K in debt.  just my thoughts.

congrats though, and good luck

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General Board / Re: NALP Directory Question
« on: April 12, 2008, 01:51:50 PM »
I always understood () to indicate SAs who split their summer.

if you find an nalp firm that hired 100% of their 2L SAs for the year, usually the number of total hired associates is the number of 2L SAs plus the number in (). 

Ex) 2007 2L SAs = 15 (2)
    2007 2L SAs offered employment = 17

someone correct me if i'm wrong

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Thomas M. Cooley / Re: Thomas Cooley Students
« on: April 11, 2008, 02:22:14 PM »

but it still doesnt make any sense though, that you say that because they are more liberal in their admissions policy, that it makes the school bad.    if you are saying that, then you are also saying that the level of education is garbage.  so if a school only allowed 10 people per term...that would be the best school?   regardless of level of education?



as far as level of education is concered, again, that was not the argument. the argument is that the level of education is that your education at a school like cooley is significatly lower than T1 school x because of the lower level of discussion/learning in the classroom, which is many times, if not most of the time, a product of your peers responses/comments etc..

but at the same time again, having never been there, you assume that it is. (bro trust me im not saying that it is on par at all!!   )

i think that that line of thinking at this point contributes to the perception.  many people associate alot of "unqualified" students + discussion = poor conversation/poor learning for all    which may be true.  but look at your lecture classes in college.  you know you had morons in there that were called on and rambled about nothing.  did that limit your education?  i would look towards the prof to actively navigate around those morons once they have outted themselves.   and you will have idealist in all classes that think the world should think like them and want to argue with everyone that doesnt.  T1 schools or otherwise.

I do not think that I am assuming to much by saying that the level of conversation in the classroom is lower at a random T4 than it might be at a higher ranked school. Not that my personal experience is 100% accurate, but I noticed a significant difference between the level of classroom discussions at the T2 that I attended for 1L at the T25 that I am at now.  My guess is that the same is true for a school like cooley.

I think you may be confusing a general lower level of learning in the classroom with "morons in there that were called on and rambled about nothing."  You will run across this type of student at any school, be it T4 or T1, but thats not the point.  The point that i'm trying to make is that at a school like cooley, I would argue the overall level of classroom conversation/learning is lower than that of a higher ranked school because a significant portion of the class is made up of lower caliber students. 

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