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Pittsburgh / Re: How do you all like Pitt?
« on: December 13, 2006, 12:17:09 PM »
I went there for under grad and had a great experience.  The campus is nice and there are great areas to live really close by such as Squirrel Hill, Shadyside, Southside, and The Strip District.  Rents are reasonable, lots of places to go eat.  The law library was nice from what I remember. 

Jones Day and other Corp firms in Pittsburgh hire a lot from UPitt and the reputation is very good in Western PA.

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Law Firms / Re: How important is the name really?
« on: November 13, 2006, 04:57:54 PM »
Here's my take.  I think that you should transfer up at the end of your 1L year.  You will have had a good experience at Hofstra and not paid a dime and that is awesome.  However, if you want to do M&A and securities work you need to get into BigLaw. To do that you would be doing yourself a major disservice in being at Hofstra. 

Also, be aware that there are a handful of people who scored around 170 at my mid-T1 lawschool.  I know for sure that some of them are near the 50% percentile in their class.  So work real hard this year and make the transfer happen...don't slack.

Transfer to any T-14 and you'll be guaranteed a job, with the work you want, paying you a first-year total package between 170-190K. The first year at the firm will make up the difference in tuition you'll be facing by transferring. But again, realize that if you want to transfer out of Hofstra to a T-14 you'll need to be at least in the top 10% and there's people with LSAT scores and undergrad GPA's much lower than your that are just now finally getting their academics in gear.


I disagree with a couple of things in this post. First, even people at T-14 jobs are not guaranteed a BigLaw job paying "first year total packages btwn 170-190." I know people at Georgetown and Michigan who were at the middle of their classes, went through OCI and did not land jobs. Even at top schools, competition for BigLaw jobs exists. As you probably know, big law firms hire almost exclusively from OCI, so if you don't get a job thorugh this process, you're out of luck, at least for the big firms. 

Second, the most any BigLaw firm starts their associates out at is 145,000 and even these are scarce outside of NY. I found one firm in Chicago that pays 145 starting. There are quite a few that start at 135. Even with bonuses, there are very few firms that would give a first year associate a total package of 190,000 and if this firm did exist, you would probably be billing 3,000 hours + a year.

At Jones Day you start somewhere in the 155k range (before bonuses) and you bill around 2100 hours a year.

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General Board / Re: Presidential Hopeful My @ # ! * i n g Ass ..
« on: November 05, 2006, 09:47:22 PM »
One of my favorite Obama moments, was when he gave a speach to a townhall meeting about convserving natural resources and about the need to ditch big sports utility vehicles.  He was praised and cheered as he left in his SUV.

http://www.wpsdtv.com/articles/stories/public/200608/14/0DDC_local_news.html



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General Board / Re: New Law School Ranking Out
« on: November 03, 2006, 04:38:26 PM »
Ummmm, not sure if this is a joke or not.  Those aren't the new rankings.  Those are the ones that Cooley has on their website.  Cooley isn't ranked in the top 20 or even the top 150.  The real rankings are from US News.  ;)

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Law Firms / Re: How important is the name really?
« on: November 03, 2006, 12:21:35 PM »
I currently work @ Jones Day, which is the definition of big corporate law.  We handle M & A, Toxic Tort, Securities, you name it.  The firm is very big, and we hire tons of attorneys each year.  This year, all of our associates were hired from; Georgetown, UCLA, USC, NYU, Chicago.  Get the picture? 

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Law Firms / Re: How important is the name really?
« on: November 02, 2006, 06:40:26 PM »
A list of schools ranked 87th by U.S. News:

 87. Louisiana State University–Baton Rouge 
 87. Mercer University (GA)
 87. Northeastern University (MA)
 87. Pennsylvania State University (Dickinson)           
 87. Pepperdine University (McConnell) (CA)

Even though Hofstra is in the 3rd tier, it is a solid school. 

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Law Firms / Re: How important is the name really?
« on: November 02, 2006, 02:49:49 PM »
You forgot to mention how humble and modest you are  ::)

I am sure there will be opportunities.  But if you were smart enough to get a full ride, do you really need to ask this? 

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Concord Law School
« on: October 25, 2006, 12:44:14 PM »
In all honest truth, here is what every single employer has told me about online law degrees/phd's/masters programs.  If you already have a successful career and want to go into consulting, then the online degree may work for you.  Not many places will take an online degree seriously.  I am not saying this out of agreement with that philosophy, just repeating what I have heard over and over again.  I have worked in arbitration, mediation, and dispute resolution.  Some of the arbitrators and mediators had studied and received degrees through DL.  I have yet to meet anyone in private practice or working for the gov't, state, local law who went through DL. 

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General Board / Re: Top 5%, Frustrated Job Search...anyone got advice?
« on: October 25, 2006, 12:19:17 PM »
I have to agree; 25 resumes isn't that many.  I think my buddy sent out about 100 before he found the right match.

Do you have any desire to go back to working with the SEC?  What about doing some sort of market regulation or in house compliance work?  They pay fairly well (6 figures generally to start).  With you CPA & law degree I would think some brokerage houses would jump at you. 

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Well that is certainly a hell of a challenge.  Being self motivated is a great asset that will serve you well.  Any idea what kind of law you are interested in?

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