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Current Law Students / Re: Students Uniting for Big Law Firm Changes
« on: April 03, 2007, 07:49:28 AM »
So they want a pay cut?  WOW, what's the point in BigLaw if you aren't gonna make lots of money.  At least they do realize it means a pay cut.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Academic Probation
« on: April 02, 2007, 08:51:23 AM »
A friend of mine was looking into returning to law school.  She completed two years when breast cancer caused her to drop out and then she never returned.  They told her that any classes older than 8 years old were no longer valid and she would have to start all over from the beginning.  So I would think that means the grades would not count either.  However, the grades may be an issue in getting accepted into school at this juncture.  She has exceptional grades so that wasn't even an issue she discussed.

So I agree with the others, call UT and see what they have to say about both issues.

Just because they list a bunch of courses in teh catalog doesn't mean they ever teach them.

I completely agree with this statement.  They may teach it, but only once every other year and it fills up extremely fast and you won't be able to get in it anyway, or teach it once in a blue moon just so they can keep it in the catalog as an elective taught.  You really do need to see the registration schedules to get a better idea of what electives are really being taught and talk to someone about when they offer courses your interested in.  Don't base your decision on the catalog entries, they may look impressive but aren't realistic.

As far as depression in law school goes, it all boils down to school sucks.  If you already know what type of law you want to practice, you have to suffer through all the other classes.  And, in my case, criminal law is such a small part of the law that MOST of school is just suffering through.  I hate civil law with a passion yet 85-90% of my classes will pertain only to civil law.  Yes, I know as my profs keeps saying, there is bleed over in all the fields.  But the bleed over is so minute in criminal law it's really not of importance.

As far as depression in the practice goes, people only care about money.  I hear it day in and day out at school.  I don't know how you could be a prosecutor, you won't make any money.  If I don't get a job making at least $100,000 a year I will be too broke to pay my loans, etc, etc.  It's all total BS.  I thought my debt through seriously before I  started school.  I paid off everything so that when I finish all I have to pay are living expenses and student loans.  Will I have a lot of money to play with?  NO.  Will I be able to go get a ridiculously large house or expensive car?  No.  Do I care?  NO.  But, if you do care about being rich, you have to do the civil work, or defense work.  You have to devote you life to your job.  You can't do what you love if you find out you hate what your doing because you have to be rich.  The people I know are happy.  They were smart in managing their debt.  They do a job they love.  They aren't rich and never will be, but they are happy.  To me, that is what matters.  To most, it's all about the green.

Current Law Students / Re: Where does the bottom 50% end up?
« on: March 22, 2007, 11:00:09 AM »
So what do you think should be the alternative to the current reporting of starting salaries and employment?

Exactly what I said. The ABA should set uniform standards for how it should be reported, and the statistics should be subject to audit by independent auditors.


So you don't mind a magazine determining how good your school is, but you want the ABA to determine career statistics? 

Oh, and the fact that you think an MBA is actually worth something tells me you don't really know what your talking about.  You are talking from extremely limited personal experience and not statistics and such.  I know plenty of people with MBA's that wish they would have just saved their time and money because their degree doesn't help them at all.  I don't know anyone that regrets their JD. 

I also believe you are wrong about not being able to get a job in law.  I only know one person that says they want one and hasn't gotten one, that is if they could pass the bar.  And, in reality, she hasn't tried.  Her attitude really blows me away, but she refuses to move and is scared to change jobs.  She constantly states she doesn't know how to practice law.  Well duh, law school doesn't teach you how to practice, that's what the baby attorney years are for, but she doesn't get it.  But then again, maybe no one I have talked to will admit they have a JD and COULDN'T get a job.  I've met a few that practiced and got out and a few that never intended to practice at all, but only the one that claims she couldn't and as stated above, she didn't really try.

Current Law Students / Re: Appalachian..Florida Coastal...Barry Law..
« on: March 21, 2007, 01:08:59 PM »

January 2002 Campus Shooting
Main article: Appalachian School of Law shooting


Could happen at any school.  Don't let this sway you.  Appalachian was just fully accredited last year.  It is in the absolute middle of nowhere.  They are still having issues with their bar passage rate and they get mostly local students so it's the local state bars the students are mostly taking.  I would take that into consideration.

However, one of our professors came from there and he is excellent.  He chose to stay here after visiting for a year due to the quality of life here.  But the point is, they obviously have some good profs if he is an example of the profs they have.

I don't know anything more than the books say than this and know nothing about the other schools at all.  Good luck in your choice.

Current Law Students / Re: 3.23UGPA + 141LSAT Please Advise
« on: March 20, 2007, 10:51:09 AM »
I know you don't want to, but retake the LSAT.  I had a really bad testing experience and should have cancelled my first LSAT score but didn't.  I too made a 141.  My GPA was lower than your's is, but I was told with that LSAT it doesn't really matter.  No law school would accept me.  Not even the provisionally accredited ones.  I retook the lsat and got my normal score and was accepted at several schools.  Part of my acceptance in my current school was the fact that the difference in the scores were so dramatic.  They said it wasn't normal for such a disparity.  I guess most people don't have horrid testing conditions.  lol

So, practice.  If you can consistently get a much higher score on practice exams, then retake the LSAT.  Otherwise, you'll be really lucky to get in anywhere.

And as stated above, if you really want it, the lsat doesn't mean anything once your in school.  I am doing much better than many of my classmates that did way better on the lsat.  And I put in minimal effort.

I went from part-time the first year to full-time the second year.  If you are a dedicated person that can sit down and treat studying like a job, I say go for it if you think you can afford it.  It's a lot more material to learn at one time, so if you want to keep your grades up you need to be dedicated.  As a part-timer working you study when you have time, you don't have a choice.  As a full-time student you do have a choice as to when and how much to study and for procrastinators like me it can be difficult.  A lot of people at my school switched programs and most of them stayed in the same grade range, they are a lot more dedicated than me.  lol  Although my grades slipped slightly, I think it was my attitude last semester, not the change in programs.

Once you have a job, your GPA in law school no longer matters.  They will look at your work product and reputation from then on out.  GPA only matters for the first job, if it even matters then.  Many times networking will get you a job when your GPA wouldn't.

I don't see where you would have a problem getting a position in Atlanta after working in Houston as long as you do a good job.  Houston has a respected legal market, so if you are a good lawyer in Houston you could be a good lawyer in Atlanta I'm sure.  I would talk to someone at the Georgia Bar Examiners office.  See if they have any special reciprocity agreements, if not I would plan on the 5 year route as they do have it if you work 5 of the last 7 years.  That way you don't have to take the bar exam again.  However, if you do choose to do the Georgia bar and move sooner, fortunately you won't have to take the MPRE again as Texas has higher standards than Georgia.

What do plan to do when you graduate? 

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