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General Board / Re: How do you know which firms are good to work for.
« on: June 17, 2007, 07:59:18 PM »
If you could have your pick of any of the firms coming to campus for OCI, how do you decide which ones to interview with?  How can you tell which is a good firm to work for? 
I don't know anyone who works for a firm.  Plus the statistics on websites haven't given me much help.   

There are statistics on websites? 

Talk to any of your professors who have worked in the market that interests you (many firms have reputations that can be very informative).  Maybe look at the Vault and AveryIndex quality of life rankings?

The Vault has a lot of surveys you can look at- I think the diversity survey has information on attrition rate, how many people on part-time schedules made it to partner, flex-time, etc.

General Board / Re: law school relationships/love?
« on: June 16, 2007, 08:35:14 AM »
Thanks to all for the advice...I just get a little worried about relationships and meeting others since I'm 25 and will probably work a ton of hours at a firm, leaving little time to meet people once law school is over.

I wouldn't recommend dating someone in your year... I am coming back to school after being in the workforce for *ahem* years, and I've seen some disaterous office romances (even within larger organzations) really disrupt everyone's lives-- not just the couple.

I am sure there are some lovely and mature people in grad school and law school for you to date, but tread with caution. There's a lot of gossip and the rumor mill within law programs, and a lot of people who are just in it to hook up.

My advice? Go about your life, get involved in some non-law related activities as well as the school stuff and live your life. You'll meet your fair share of frogs and princes.

Don't panic about it- you're only 25! I have to second not dating anyone in your year, or in law school at all for that matter. Get involved in other things in your city or meet people in other programs. Most people I know are with non-law students and are happy to have a different perspective to go home to everyday. I know the last thing I want to do when I get home from class is keep talking about the law (okay I try not to talk about it at all when I am not in class).

I think it varies dramatically by school. Aside from torts and crim, I've heard of all of the other 1L courses being split. At my school con law 2 is an upper level course and not mandatory. However, my school is moving away from 2-semester classes and I don't know if any will have 2 semesters next year.

It really depends on the school. Keep in mind that many people who intend to do the competition don't even finish so merely completing the competition and submitting something might put you in a good position to get onto a journal. Chances are they probably give everyone points for good things they do and take off for mistakes, so you'll get taken off for that mistake but will probably get a lot of other points if you spent time to proofread and make sure your cites were correct. I've heard that my school doesn't even really care about the content of the comment. It's just seen as a vehicle to show how well you can do citations.

General Board / Re: judicial intern
« on: June 07, 2007, 08:01:58 AM »
i did paralegal work for a couple years and so I don't see myself benefitting (outside of the connections themselves) from a firm clerkship after the first year.

I was thinking either a judical externship OR (one thing ppl haven't mentioned) studying abroad after the first year.  That could free up some of the class load and maybe enable me to get professional experience in say the 3rd year, when I might know have things narrowed down?

Does that sound like its on the right track? (anyone's .02 appreciated - thanks)

Studying abroad is usually the last resort for people who can't find jobs but still want to do something during the summer. Ideally you can find a program that is at the beginning or end of the summer so you'll get some work experience when you're not abroad.

I know the judge I'm working for is very flexible and allows students to work as few as 16 hours a week. As a result, you can take classes or work elsewhere the rest of the time. I think you're most likely to find this with judges who regularly do externships with the local law school.

General Board / Re: Challenging a grade?
« on: June 03, 2007, 08:24:12 AM »
I would take her up on the offer to go talk about it. Since you have anonymous grading, she probably has no clue which work was yours right now. My school also has a policy of not changing grades after they're in but I went over an exam with a prof that was on the borderline and he still tried to see if there was anything he could do to bring it up. However, that was something he decided to do on his own without my prompting.

Transferring / Re: Top 10% at a T40 school
« on: June 01, 2007, 09:38:38 AM »
tnx kilroy. i dont actually know where i stand in the top 10% because the school just tells you if you're top 10% (it's noted on my transcript). there's no published grade distribution. based on my GPA, which is not that high, im surmising that im low on that list.   

Most schools identify the grade for top 10% the previous year at  You might be able to get a better idea by seeing how far above that number you are.  Certainly not a great indicator.

Usually that's not for 1L though- that's for the most current graduates. Most schools have a slightly higher curve for upper level classes than for 1L classes. I think last year's 1L's at my school had a median GPA of around 3.15 but the median for the graduates was above a 3.4.

Wow, I do go to UF. Are we the only school with a not-so-stellar career services office?

Absolutely not. I would say the majority are pretty worthless outside the very top schools. I went to a professor for advice about going into certain types of jobs and he was much more helpful than anyone in career services would have been. He gave me realistic advice about what was needed to get those positions instead of the more nebulous advice career services would have given.

It is probably better to send your resume out earlier, especially if you know you'll be in an area before school starts and that school isn't coming to OCI. Lots of firms do off-site interviewing starting in early August, with OCI starting in mid-August so you may want to consider having your resumes sent out before OCI even starts.

Transferring / Re: How does one estimate their class rank?
« on: May 09, 2007, 07:50:27 AM »
My school is unranked and we're not allowed to estimate it when talking to employers. I'd imagine that other schools are the same way or else there'd be no point of having an unranked system.

I think a lot of financial aid counselors will recommend that students who have to take out full loans for private undergrad consider a cheaper option for that very reason. Plus, I'd imagine that those who do choose to go are probably going to be getting some grants from both the government and the school and will be doing work study as well along with doing other things to lower the expenses.

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