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slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Thanks Johnny!

Now, to make things interesting, my new analysis, now that Northwestern is back in the picture (just got an e-mail about my financial award - institutional loans for remainder of tuition and all living expenses) :

UT vs. Vandy vs. Northwestern

1. UT - 5
2. Vandy - 4, but Northwestern has guaranteed loans and Vandy's tuition has to come out of our income
3. Northwestern - 1
4. Northwestern - 3
5. Northwestern - 2
6. ironically, UT

I'm supremely confused, and while I think I'd love Vandy, if I have to move anyway, I'd rather move to go to the school that will give me better options after graduation, which is Northwestern.  At the same time, I'm rather unprepared to deal with freezing winters and long commutes after 10 years in Texas.  That's why I think UT in #6 is the knee-jerk reaction.

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I'd say that sticking with UT would be the best thing to do.  Even if you don't want to stick around in Austin, do you want to stick around in Chicago, Ann Arbor, or LA?  If not (and it seems not), that would be twice within 5 years that you would be picking up and moving your family - needless to say that is a major pain in the ass.  Going to UT, you would seemingly be fine getting a job anywhere in the South, and probably wouldn't have much trouble elsewhere either.  Taken with the fact that UT will be the cheapest, why fix it if it aint broke?

IMO, UT is definitely the most logical choice.

Good point about moving twice in 5 years.  And I agree on UT, given that UT is the cheapest of those four.  But Vandy is now cheapest overall, and moving there will be free (hubby's employer will pay).  And I'd be fine living in Nashville after graduation, though I'd prefer to come back to Austin.  Between UT and Vandy, which one would you choose?

Another wrinkle - Northwestern is giving me the full loan package on top of the $90K scholarship, while for schools I'm on my own finding private lenders (hard to do for a foreigner with no US co-signers).  Does that change anything?

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If you want to practice in Austin, this is a no brainer - go to UT!  I also have wanted to relocate to Austin from the very beginning of the law school application process (and I would be there now if I had been admitted to UT, bypassing NU and Michigan).  I love it at NU (which was a close second choice at the time) but the cost and city of Austin would have been more than enough to draw me away. 

I interviewed for firm jobs in Austin both as a 1L and and a 2L.  I have an engineering degree but absolutely no interest in IP/patent law.  The only callback interviews I got with Austin firms were for IP/patent positions, and I consequently received no offers.  I did very well with the Chicago firms in OCI, but horribly with the Austin ones.  And I probably have a better claim to Austin "ties" than anyone else who has never actually lived there (I lived in Texas for a couple years and graduated from high school in Dallas, and my brother has lived in Austin for the past several years now). 

The NU dean of admissions was very frank with me about this when I was making my decision - Austin is the 1st or 2nd most difficult city for NU grads to relocate to without ties, partly because of the huge number of UT grads down there and partly because of its relatively small size and dearth of large firms.

I love NU and wholeheartedly recommend it to almost everyone.  But if your goal is to end up in Austin and you have a chance to go to UT, do it.


Thanks for that!!!  It really helps to get that information, especially since Northwestern is tempting again, as I just got their financial aid award, and they are giving me school-sponsored loans - something none of my other schools wanted to do.  I know it's debt that needs to be repaid, but still, it makes it possible for me to go there and not worry about not having enough money to pay for tuition.

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Since it works so well and I'm so confused.

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Vanderbilt vs. UT

1. UT - 5
2. Vandy - 4
3. Vandy - 1
4. Tied - 2
5. Vandy - 3
6. Vandy and UT both pop into my head, in that order

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I'd probably choose either Northwestern or Michigan. 

If you were in my situation as described above (with a spouse and a small child, and little to no loan options) or as you?

Frankly, if I didn't have a kid, I wouldn't think twice about it and go to one of the above schools.  But, having a baby changed my priorities a bit - not enough to sacrifice my goals, but enough to compromise so that my family isn't suffering while I'm achieving them.

Is Vandy out of the running?

No, they are very much in the running - it's just UT and Vandy now.  I'm just saying if I were in a different situation, I'd go to NU or Michigan.  Way things are now, I want my family to be in a warmer climate we're used to, in a city that isn't as huge as Chicago or as small as Ann Arbor, where my husband can't even find a job (and he looked).  I was so in love with NU and Mich, but once we started to plan for ASWs, I realized I don't want to take my toddler there in the early spring because it's too cold - so how would I move there with her?

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I'd probably choose either Northwestern or Michigan. 

If you were in my situation as described above (with a spouse and a small child, and little to no loan options) or as you?

Frankly, if I didn't have a kid, I wouldn't think twice about it and go to one of the above schools.  But, having a baby changed my priorities a bit - not enough to sacrifice my goals, but enough to compromise so that my family isn't suffering while I'm achieving them.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tuition for NEXT year
« on: April 02, 2007, 01:22:43 PM »
Even UCLA and Texas are 25k/36k and 18k/31k for res/non-res (respectively).  I had no idea until I just looked this up.  That's insane.  Alabama is 10k/20k.

And UCLA is going up by something like 8-10% next year, and UT in-state will be to $20K/yr.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Negotiating with schools for $
« on: April 02, 2007, 12:40:07 PM »
You love 1) them 2) the area 3) your money. If there's anyway they could make those 3 things happen you'd be greatly appreciative, and have a seat deposit in on the hour.

Hah, almost exactly the summary of my final request for matching funds to UT ;D

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One standard deviation.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Negotiating with schools for $
« on: April 02, 2007, 11:05:00 AM »
hey guys,

i am right now deciding between BU (30K a year) BC (25k a year) and Vandy (15k a year).  I want to live and practice in Boston so I think I am going to one of the boston schools.  I liked BC a lot but i'm leaning towards BU.  I know BU gives out a dean's scholarship of 40k.  Do you think I can ask for it?  My numbers are good for BU but not astronomical 3.88/166.  I don't have better money to bargain with but it seems that most people offered it have withdrawn.  This would be the nail in the coffin and definitely put me at BU.  But would they consider giving to me? I feel like I'm being a little greedy because they already gave me such a great package, but I'm looking for a BC/BU tie breaker and this would DEFINITELY be it.

should i just shut up and be happy with what I have, I don't want to seem ungrateful...

advice appreciated.  thank you.

Won't hurt to try, right? Tell them you have many difficult decisions and cost of education is your number one concern, and ask if there is any possibility of getting more money.  Don't tell them how much other schools gave you unless they ask, just say you have substantial scholarships from other schools.  Don't lie, but don't volunteer that information.

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