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Current Law Students / How much debt justified for law school
« on: July 21, 2006, 05:06:23 PM »
$150K: T14 + some T20 schools (provided that you want to do biglaw/midlaw)

<$100K: The rest of T1 and strong T2* students looking to do biglaw/midlaw

Gov't loans only: Any weak T2* or T3/T4 + those interested in public interest/gov't work(other than sec & doj) + those looking at small firms

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*Weak T2 = T2 in a legal market with a lot of competition from other schools.
*Strong T2 = Regional powerhouse with little competition from T1 schools.

Current Law Students / Re: BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE
« on: July 21, 2006, 04:53:05 PM »

Discussing your penis in court doesn't stay funny for long


In the single most surreal sequence of the trial, Officer Manning bragged that he knew all about the flexibility of uncircumcised penises because he used to play baseball for the Atlanta Braves (he was a 1999 draft pick later sidelined by a knee injury) and frequently showered with players from Colombia and Central America who not only had foreskins but were frequently "silly" with them. Manning told the prosecutor he saw players pull down their foreskins and dance around for as long as 20 minutes. Schneir wasn't going to let this one go. "I'm a little confused," she said disingenuously. "I was always led to believe that men in showers go to great lengths not to look at each other's penises, and you're telling me you looked for 20 minutes?"

Members of the jury started guffawing. Manning said sheepishly that he hadn't exactly looked for 20 minutes. So Schneir asked him how long he had looked for 15 minutes, 10 minutes, 5 minutes? Eventually, Manning said he'd looked at one penis for one minute. Schneir deadpanned: "Okay, we're all dying to know: whose penis was it?" For all the courtroom humor, from here on out the trial started slipping out of the grasp of the defense. The deputy district attorney suggested the only way to resolve the circumcision question was to have Harrell re-examined by a medical professional. Harrell told the court he'd had quite enough people looking at his penis and refused. The judge, Deirdre Hill, then instructed the jury that they were free to interpret this refusal as a form of self-incrimination. 


Hahaha, this is so funny!


Several of my friends adopt another strategy if called on but are unprepared: they just sit there without saying a word so that the pro will think they're absent.

LOL ;)

Current Law Students / Re: Who is law school meant for?
« on: July 21, 2006, 04:18:31 PM »

Honey, the money thing alone is a sufficient reason to go to law school, you don't have to look for other ones. But you've to understand that to make a lot of momey you'll have to sacrifice a lot more than that money is worth it.


Current Law Students / Re: Top 5%
« on: July 21, 2006, 03:50:47 PM »

Good news is going around today. I also made roughly the top 5% at my school, and while its not official until I get the phone call, graded on to law review.

I hope you were as happy as I was, and congrats!

Also, I second all the advice you gave. Working hard and working steady is the way to go.  Cramming doesn't work. If you are diligent, you can take reasonable breaks when you need to (sick, tired, etc), and try your best to stay current so you can focus solely on exam prep.  Different people use different techniques, and finding what works best for you (as opposed to doing what everyone else says they're doing) is the way to go. I know EVERYONE says that, but its really the only advice that's applicable to everyone.

Jacy, do you think you'll feel this "change in status" that is mentioned here,

The institutional structure does not, however, allow students to continue to suffer privately. Instead, the results of the Law Review competition spread like wildfire as soon as classes reconvene in the fall. Those students who "made it" experience a palpable change in status, a result of the significance attached to law review membership in the legal community. Those students who do not make it, although not obviously penalized or treated with overt disrespect, must now reckon with the fact that they are not among those classmates to receive the positive reinforcement from professors and classmates that accompanies Law Review membership -- and in public, no less. Not only is this failure experienced publicly as a stigma of the discredited, but for many students it follows several months of silently carrying the knowledge of a discreditable stigma and fearing its exposure. The determination of Law Review membership takes on such significance precisely because of this timing -- the publicizing of who made it is experienced as the "outing" of the feelings of inadequacy that those with an unremarkable exam performance had kept quiet for so long.

Current Law Students / Re: BAS: Battered associate syndrome
« on: July 21, 2006, 03:43:26 PM »
Could you elaborate a bit?

Current Law Students / Re: brewha=erapit
« on: July 21, 2006, 03:39:35 PM »
I think brewha=budlaw

Current Law Students / Re: Law Schools named after scumbags!
« on: July 21, 2006, 03:35:30 PM »

i recently read "Team of rivals", a biography of lincoln, which makes salmon p. chase (northern kentucky u) look really petty.

vermont law school isn't named after anyone, as far as i know, but from what i hear it was founded by a con artist as a draft-dodging scheme during vietnam. actually, i think the story is kind of similar to the premise of the forthcoming movie "accepted": a school is founded as a scam, then it's forced to become real once people apply.

Doris Kearns Goodwin, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian who thoroughly researched Lincoln for his new book, Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln, answers the question "What do you think of the theory that Lincoln might have been gay?" answers, "You're talking about his sleeping in the same bed with [best friend] Joshua Speed. I doubt they were having a sexual relationship. So many people of that era slept in the same bed. And letters show that other men of that time had emotionally intense relationships. Both Seward and Chase wrote letters to their male friends that were filled with affection and love. It was an era when men/men and women/women relationships were closer than those between men and women" [Diane Brown, "Abe, Honestly," AARP: The Magazine, (November & December 2005), p. 14]. You will find this well documented in the book "American Manhood" by E. Anthony Rotundo, (New York: Basic Books, 1993), especially pages 75-91.

After explaining that it was common for men to sleep in the same bed at that time, that men were free to express tender affection for one another then without fear of gossip (and noting that there is less of that in Lincoln's correspondence with Speed than in other letters of the time), that psychoanalyst and historian Charles B. Strozier said that a sexual relationship of that sort at that time would have left Lincoln "full of shame, confused, and hardly likely to end up in politics" (Ibid., p. 38), and that Lincoln spoke freely and openly of sleeping with Speed in later years which would have been unthinkable is the relationship had been sexual, he concludes, "In my judgment, these two young men were simply close, warm friends..." [Idem.]

Job Search / Re: Hubby failed CIA poly
« on: July 21, 2006, 03:17:51 PM »

A group of students here: We've been laughing with this since yesterday when we read it! I mean, we feel sorry for the poor guy having gone thru the ordeal, but on the other hand it's so entertaining to see someone take seriously the CIA bull ... I mean, come on, everyone knows what sick dogs CIA people are!


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