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General Board / Re: What happens to graduates from 4th tier schools?
« on: September 24, 2006, 07:46:53 PM »
  Some 4th Tier schools are outperforming T1s on the bar exam.

As some of the Tier 4's should be, when you take into account the fact that a large percentage of them "teach to the bar." When you pay for a 3 year long bar review course, you should be passing the bar.

General Board / Re: Atlanta Legal Market v. Dallas Legal Market
« on: September 24, 2006, 07:40:23 PM »
You know, one thing that surprised me is when you do a search on Martindale on firms in Dallas, Houston and Atlanta, whether a 10 attorney firm or a 500 attorney firm, you will find that most of their graduates in the recent five years or so have either graduated with honors or in law review or are from top schools such as Emory, University of Texas, Columbia, etc. 

I wonder where the rest of the 80% of Tier 2, 3, and 4 law graduates work if even small size firms hires only top graduates. 

FYI: A lot of attorneys aren't listed in the Martindale system for one reason or another.

General Board / Re: Opinions on Emanuel's CrunchTime series?
« on: September 24, 2006, 02:48:58 AM »
Crunchtime books are fine if you're doing the reading. Some people feel they're too boiled down. I've used Crunchtime as a supplement in writing outlines.

Also, quit worrying about what other people are doing. Half of my law school friends would fail out if they tried to study the way I do. If you keep thinking about how everybody else studying and if they have it right, your head is going to explode. I suggest that you do more of your studying outside of the law school if you can.

General Board / Re: Getting into a good law school after getting A.A. Degree
« on: September 18, 2006, 08:43:25 PM »
I had enough hours at a Community College for my AA, transferred to get my BA, and now I'm at a Top 20 law school. 

General Board / Re: Outliner 4.0 VS OneNote
« on: September 16, 2006, 11:56:21 PM »
Somebody on another thread said that Lexis sent them a 50% off coupon for Outliner. Has anybody else heard of this coupon and know how to get it?

General Board / Re: Opinions on Microsoft's OneNote
« on: September 16, 2006, 11:53:33 PM »
How'd you get the coupon?

2L job search / Re: OCI question
« on: September 14, 2006, 12:48:49 PM »
I have no problem writing an unsolicted cover letter. My question was more along the lines of whether this is even effective. With no connections inside the firm, won't my letter and resume just become lost in the shuffle (regardless of my ranking)?

I'm curious: Does anyone know how many law students get offers through OCI each year compared with unsolicited attempts outside of the OCI process?

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Like the last poster alluded to, do some research on your target firms and find some similarities you might have with partners, etc. I suggest Martindale's through Lexis. You can search people at a firm by undergrad or law school they attended. Put some good stuff in that cover letter that will make them take a look at the resume. A lot of firms will only take those unsolicited if they don't fill up in OCI, but you won't know until you start calling up firms and sending those resumes out.

2L job search / Re: OCI question
« on: September 14, 2006, 11:05:34 AM »
Where do you go to school? Do you not have a career development office? You should have been taught by now how to write a cover letter for an unsolicited job inquiry. 

2L job search / Re: OCI question
« on: September 13, 2006, 05:07:42 PM »
Screwing up the interview is always a possibility. On the other hand, the MBA and extensive work experience, as well as the fact that he may have a niche interest in which they're needing additional folks, will often make up the difference of a few percentage points. I've seen much stranger things happen.

General Board / Re: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
« on: September 12, 2006, 11:38:27 PM »
Well, law school is what you make it.  You can go to a T1 school and score poorly, not network, nor create opportunities for yourself or you can go to a T4 that is known to produce excellent attorneys, bust your butt, and get the jobs.  It is your choice of what you do after law school.  If you plan for what you want to do, then you can do it regardless of the school.  Both T1 schools and T4 schools have their faults.  It can be argued the same for big firm/small firm or public/private sector.  I was in the legal field for years before going to law school.  I was fortunate to work downtown DC.  I gained experience at a small firm and a large national firm.  In both firms, the attorneys went to schools in all tiers.  I hate to see people talk about things that they dont know anything about.  Be realistic and understand that people make choices based upon their needs; not anyone elses. 

I'd also be interested in hearing what the "faults" of T1 schools, relative to T4s, are.

Likely faults of T1 schools relative to T4s?

I've found that it really sucks having to choose between jobs.

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