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General Board / Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:58:15 AM »
Wow - I think you need to take a deep breath and relax a little. :)

I know nothing about either of these schools, but, to me, the deciding factors would be:
- Univ. of Iowa is ranked higher, but has far fewer (approximately half) the number of corporate law classes (which I want to specialize in)
- Univ. of Iowa doesn't offer courses in Mergers and Acquisitions, which I am very much interested in and would like to work in this area after graduation.

In my opinion all the other factors you listed are pretty much irrelevant. Well not irrelevant, but insigificant enough that you shouldn't be losing sleep over this decision. Any given school will have pluses an minuses when compared to any other school so you'll always be giving something up when you choose one over the other.
I'd pick the school that offers the subject matter I want to learn. When looking for your first job, it seems like actually having some classroom exposure to the area you want to work in would be far more beneficial that a JD from a school with a slightly higher ranking (I don't know where Iowa is ranked, but I'm assuiming it's not in the top 20 or so). When looking for your second job it won't matter at all.
 

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Socratic Method / Re: STANDOUT CASES
« on: June 02, 2006, 01:08:15 AM »
One of my T.A.s sent this quote out.

Quote from: United States v. Murphy, 406 F.3d 857

On the evening of May 29, 2003, Hayden was smoking crack with three other folks at a trailer park home on Chain of Rocks Road in Granite City, Illinois. Murphy, Sr., who had sold drugs to Hayden several years earlier, showed up later that night. He was friendly at first, but he soon called Hayden a "snitch female dog hoe" n1 and hit her in the head with the back of his hand.

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n1 The trial transcript quotes Ms. Hayden as saying Murphy called her a snitch female dog "hoe." A "hoe," of course, is a tool used for weeding and gardening. We think the court reporter, unfamiliar with rap music (perhaps thankfully so), misunderstood Hayden's response. We have taken the liberty of changing "hoe" to "ho," a staple of rap music vernacular as, for example, when Ludacris raps "You doin' ho activities with ho tendencies."


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Socratic Method / Re: STANDOUT CASES
« on: June 01, 2006, 07:05:27 PM »
The Head Cut off by the Elevator case from Torts; I never did catch the name, and with facts like those, you don't have to.   :P

d**mn, we didn't cover that case. Sounds like a good one though.



It was actually just mentioned briefly in the notes following a one of the cases we read on emotional distress (I believe the principle case we read was Portee v. Jafee, the My-kid-got-stuck-in-the-elevator-and-I-listened-to-him-moan-in-agony-until-he-died case).  The cases on emotional distress were just awful in general; ome of my sectionmates had nightmares.   :-\

My fav. had to be in contracts, although I can't remember the name. It involved  what should have been a standard home sale except that, after the sale was complete and the buyer moved in, the seller started promoting the house as being haunted. The buyer then sued, claiming his wife was now too scared to sleep in the house and that not disclosing the haunting was fraud. The opinion was full of puns, said that the seller was estopped from claiming the house wasn't haunted, and pointed out that there was a good, although unmade, argument for the seller having breached the clause in the contract requiring the house to be unoccupied when the buyer took possesion. Kind of a silly case, but it was a nice note to end fall semester on - I guess that's one of the pluses of having a professor that writes his own casebook.


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Socratic Method / Re: STANDOUT CASES
« on: June 01, 2006, 06:17:02 PM »
The Head Cut off by the Elevator case from Torts; I never did catch the name, and with facts like those, you don't have to.   :P

Damn, we didn't cover that case. Sounds like a good one though.


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Socratic Method / Re: STANDOUT CASES
« on: June 01, 2006, 11:28:34 AM »
There are a couple of cases that standout (e.g. Marbury v. Madison, Palsgraf v. Long Island R.R., World Wide Volkswagen v. Woodson, the Erie line of cases, etc.) but I think it's the basic principles that will stick with you the most.




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Lewis and Clark / Re: attending
« on: May 30, 2006, 12:49:46 PM »

Hi.  I'm seriously thinking of going to L&C.  I've lived in Portland for 5 years, on the East Side.

I've never been in a school with an imposed curve like this.  Does it produce weird competitive behavior in the students?  I've heard that L&C is a pretty friendly and supportive environment amongst the students.

The curve isn't really a big deal, in my opinion. Especially since there will be a curve no matter where you go to law school (as far as I know) it's not something I'd worry about. I didn't notice any weird competitive behaviour, in fact just the opposite - everyone always seemed very supportive and helpful.

Also I described the curve slightly incorrectly here:
I think each prof can set it to whatever they want as long as it's under a B.

After I posted that I remembered that my contracts prof. had set the average at a B so I went back and checked the manual. Each prof. can set it to whatever they want as long as it's no higher than a B (so the average can be up to a B - there are exceptions for seminar classes, etc but that's the general rule).

I love it at L&C so far, but it's the only school I applied to so it's tough to say how it compares to other law schools.

As to post-graduation jobs, I think a larger than average portion of L&C students go there looking to do government or public service work (e.g. more than half the people in my orientation group were planning on focusing on enviornmental law) which might account for what shaz was talking about (I don't know the statistics so I'm just guessing).

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Like other posters have said, the only legal advice law students can give is that we're not qualified to give legal advice. That said, there's probably no practical benefit in getting your rental contract with your roommates set out in writing. If someone does skip out, it'll almost certainly cost you more than a couple of months rent to try and get your money through litigation. If you're that worried you should find a more reliable roommate.

Good luck at law school.


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General Board / Re: PATENT BAR
« on: May 26, 2006, 10:30:45 PM »
Are all these degrees equal in demand? That is, would it be worth it to go and get a botany degree so as to qualify me for patent work, or would somebody with a mechanical engineering degree be more valuable?

Based on the employment ads in the back of an IP trade magazine we get at work, the vast majority of demand is for patent agents/attorneys with experience in electrical, mechanical, computer, or chemical engineering. I wouldn't think going back for a botany degree would be a good investment, although there is probably some work out there.

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General Board / Re: PATENT BAR
« on: May 26, 2006, 12:55:19 PM »
One piece of advice, I think I focused for too long on reviewing the general material.  I spent two weeks going through the rules, and then four weeks doing practice tests.  A lot of the stuff I did going over the rules was worthless because the patent bar actually focuses on certain narrow issues..

That's great advice. I'd start with a couple of practice tests so you can see what MPEP chapters the exam focuses on. Then you can prioritize your studying accordingly.

 

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General Board / Re: case briefing
« on: May 24, 2006, 08:29:20 PM »
So would I be correct to assume that a case brief is mainly to prepare a student for class, while the "black letter law" learned from the case brief would be used for the exam? Thanks again.

Exactly - a brief is primarily so that when you get called on in class you can discuss the case without having to page through your book. Ideally you won't have to look at your brief either but everybody brainfarts occasionally. 

The example I posted in contrast to jumboshrimp's was only intended to show the range of different briefing styles. Most students will probably start doing extensive briefs, then pare it down until they've found the right balance for their individual style. By the end of the first semester I was using a style much closer to jumboshrimps than the example I posted (when I breifed at all). However, I think a 1L should start breifing in a style closer to the 4lawschool version, and then see if they can gain the same benefit with a more sparse style.

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