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I don't think the ABA rules allow for pass/fail grading in a required class like Con Law.
I'm not sure if this would be allowable either, but they could base the grade off a paper to be written in the fall that also satisfies a writing requirement for the students. 

Why so gung-ho to fire the prof? I don't think we have enough info to pass that kind of judgment.



Why not?  the ABA doesn't seem to have a problem with it at Yale

I stand corrected then. :)

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There is certainly no love lost between Falcon and the law school establishment.  That said, he does make some excellent points in his criticism.   I find it an absolute farce that, essentially, I will not be qualified to practice law upon graduation from law school.  What other professional school can boast that? 

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Thank you to everyone for your responses.  I will take it all under advisement. 

I haven't seen much of the atmosphere that Falcon complained of, but I go to a touchy-feely-hippie-west-coast-liberal school so my experience probably isn't the norm. :)

I think plex makes a good point. My undergrad degree is in engineering but I certainly wasn't "prepared" to just drop into my first engineering job and start being a productive employee. I'd say it's a slightly better situation in law school - after your first year you should have enough of the basic skills to be able to contribute to assisting an experienced lawyer. There is NO substitute for practical real world experience though. Unless you go to a trade/vocational school, no field of academia won't prepare you for actual practice.   




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I'd actually recommend watching A Civil Action after you take Civ Pro. That way, it's much funnier when the smarmy corporate attorney asks the other attorney:
"Have you ever heard of ...[dramatic pause] Rule 11?"

Same with My Cousin Vinny and "It's called 'disclosure' ya' moron!"


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I don't think the ABA rules allow for pass/fail grading in a required class like Con Law.
I'm not sure if this would be allowable either, but they could base the grade off a paper to be written in the fall that also satisfies a writing requirement for the students. 

Why so gung-ho to fire the prof? I don't think we have enough info to pass that kind of judgment.


 

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Don't know anything about the lawnerds site and never bothered with LEEWS but my experience with the E&E's has been mostly good, especially contracts and civ pro.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend doing anything over the summer (other than possibly reading The Brethren, or some other not really academic but still relevant book. IMO, the PLS recommendations are insane. Am I the only one who thought Falcon came across as borderline wacko in PLS 2?   ??? (have to confess I didn't finish it though, so it might have gotten better towards the end)












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Try heading to bed right after class and getting up early to study. I don't always do that but it makes for nice change of routine when I start feeling burnt out.

Weather permitting, go for a 10 minute walk outside after classes and before sitting down to study.

If you're not studying productively, stop. Maybe it's just me but every now and then I'll find myself staring at the same page/paragaph/sentence and just not comprehending. Rather than try and force it, I've found it's better to just call it quits and give my brain a rest. It'll always be there tomorrow.
 
I also try to get at least 10 hours of sleep/night on the weekends - not always possible but it helps.

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Current Law Students / Re: How are practice tests made available?
« on: June 12, 2006, 04:58:31 PM »
ive read advice to take as many practice tests from your teacher as possible.  how are these tests made available?  do schools stockpile old tests and allow their students to access them?  if so that seems a little strange, almost like encouraging the same actions that fraternities do in undergrad.  granted the tests wont be exactly the same but it still seems a little strange to me.

or am i wrong in thinking that you can access these tests through the schools?  is there another way of gaining this kind of info?

As mentioned, they're generally available online and/or in the library.

At my school, there's no requirement that the profs make their old exams available, and more often than not there's just the exams - few or no example answers.

Why do you think it's strange?

 

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Current Law Students / Re: Prepare for first year
« on: June 07, 2006, 02:59:14 PM »
Same topic discussed, with some good advice, here:
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/students/index.php/topic,3998.0.html

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Current Law Students / Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: June 02, 2006, 05:12:20 PM »
Here's a clue: How about instead of looking a numbers in a magazine and asking feedback from other no nothing "soon to be 1L's" to make a decision that is going to define your career, you visit the schools, ask students and faculty questions, and make a friggin decision for yourself. Or are you incapable of independant decision making?

Yeah, doing research and asking people who may have alternative points of view for their opinions is stupid! Nice work StrictlyLiable, thanks to your incredibly helpful contribution I'm sure all the OP's problems are solved. Brilliant.



 


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Current Law Students / Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: June 02, 2006, 09:58:15 AM »
Wow - I think you need to take a deep breath and relax a little. :)

I know nothing about either of these schools, but, to me, the deciding factors would be:
- Univ. of Iowa is ranked higher, but has far fewer (approximately half) the number of corporate law classes (which I want to specialize in)
- Univ. of Iowa doesn't offer courses in Mergers and Acquisitions, which I am very much interested in and would like to work in this area after graduation.

In my opinion all the other factors you listed are pretty much irrelevant. Well not irrelevant, but insigificant enough that you shouldn't be losing sleep over this decision. Any given school will have pluses an minuses when compared to any other school so you'll always be giving something up when you choose one over the other.
I'd pick the school that offers the subject matter I want to learn. When looking for your first job, it seems like actually having some classroom exposure to the area you want to work in would be far more beneficial that a JD from a school with a slightly higher ranking (I don't know where Iowa is ranked, but I'm assuiming it's not in the top 20 or so). When looking for your second job it won't matter at all.
 

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