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Current Law Students / Re: E & E's, hornbooks, blah blah blah
« on: August 12, 2006, 07:41:09 AM »
You don't need anything else. Just read for class everyday and make sure you make good outlines. You've got enough reading to do as a 1L, why do you want to read anymore? You've already wasted money on LEEWS...

You've also fell for the hype of 1L and you haven't even started yet. Way to go.

How the heck am I supposed to know about all this stuff?  I've already got my $500 worth of books and I bought LEEWS but I really don't know what else I need to get to help me my first year.


Thanks Budlaw! Sorry I'm such a tool and "fell for it."  Shucks, I bet I'm the only one who cares enough to want to do my best.  I guess all those people who suggested LEEWS as a large factor in helping them do well in their 1L were lying.  Shame on me for believing them...

Yeah you are a tool, because you didn't talk to people who did well their 1L year without LEEWS. Of course they're going to say that it helped them, because how would they know that it didn't help them? What are they comparing their success to? It's not like they can do 1L without LEEWS and then do 1L with LEEWS. And you're a tool who's out of cash too.

You know how that OutKast song goes : "I'm just being honest"

To be fair, you also dont know if you'd have been in the top 5% of your class had you used LEEWS.

As far as the question at hand, it's very possible that supplements work better for some, and dont do much, if anything, for others.  I'd say that if it makes you feel more comfortable/prepared/confident, then it can't hurt. 

Current Law Students / Re: JD without going to law school
« on: April 11, 2006, 09:51:36 PM »
Oops I misunderstood the original OP, I stand corrected.

Happens to everyone.

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Weekends
« on: April 11, 2006, 09:49:22 PM »
This is top quality competition, and you can't beat them or at least be at the top simply by working hours on end.  You have to have a natural aptitude for grasping and applying legal concepts to new fact situations.  No amount of studying will get you to the top of the class if you don't at least have a gift for understanding and applying law.

Let me know how the studying goes.

Again, I admittedly opine with no practical knowledge to speak of, but it seems to me that the law is, like anything else, a skill.  Is there a natural talent?  Probably, but I just can't help but think that hard work is extremely valuable. I've had to work hard for most, if not all, of my life and I can tell you that it has made all the difference.  Its like a boxing match.  Some fighters are more naturally gifted than others.  However, talent alone is not enough.  One has to be willing to run the 10 miles per day, box the thousands of sparring rounds and put in the hundreds of hours of training in order to perform at maximum.  My prize fighting example of this is Mike Tyson.  He lost to Buster Douglas because he tried to rely solely on natural talent.  He didn't work nearly as hard as his opponent of lesser ability.  The end result was that Tyson got his arse handed to him by the guy with lesser talent.  Same thing with law, I would imagine.  You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't work, you won't succeed. I may not be the most talented guy in class, but I just refuse to be outworked.  If it takes me 18 hours per day to get the work done, then I will d**mn well work 18 hours.  If it takes less, then I'll work less.  But I will not quit until I fully grasp whatever material is assigned for that day.  Bottom line, nothing is handed to anyone.  If you want it, you have to work harder than anyone else for it.  That's how the best become the best.

I dont think he meant not working at all.  If Tyson trained half as much as Douglas, he would have won.  He barely trained, if at all.  If someone just naturally "gets it" and covers the material, he will out do someone who is not "getting it" and is studying 60 hours a week.

Current Law Students / Re: JD without going to law school
« on: April 10, 2006, 09:12:02 AM »
BAD IDEA, Most places do not respect online degrees and as far as I know you can only practice in Ca and thats the hardest bar to pass.  Also when you send out your resume a missing ba/bs is a huge red flag, there are enough canidates with degrees that wo an undergrad you are screwed. sorry (az just voted the non law school route down)/

I dont think the OP said that they did not have a BA/BS.  They were merely asking if they can sit for the bar after going to a non-accredited (online) school.  Which the answer to is yes.

Transferring / Re: reality check
« on: April 10, 2006, 08:54:24 AM »
ok guys, i'm new to the board and i go to touro law.  a tier 4 school.  what are my chances of leaving this school making a respectable amount.  i've done all the research looking at the average salary (not good).  i am in the top 1/3 of the class.  and want to transfer out.  i know i have to do well this semester to actually have a good shot at some better schools, but right now what schools do you guys think i have a good shot at?

Not gonna lie, the options out of Touro are limited, but it is not hopeless. The LI firm I work at has plenty of people from Touro there, and they do pretty well.  As for transferring, I'd say you have a decent shot at a T2.

If you want to stay in NY, send out some apps to Hofstra, SJU, and NYL.  Either of those schools will give you an advantage over Touro as to getting jobs.  Also, consider asking Touro for a scholarship because of your good work.

Current Law Students / Re: Last minute drama
« on: April 09, 2006, 12:04:06 PM »
It doesn't seem like a big difference in total cost to you, so I would probably take GW.

St. John's U Law School / Re: At Least One Per Year
« on: April 06, 2006, 11:55:57 AM »
bump it!

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