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William Mitchell / Re: First Post
« on: June 24, 2006, 10:40:35 PM »
Did any other full time student who might be on this board get stuck in one of the part time sections?  I was debating between Mitchell and another law school until early June, so I did not send in my section preference right away and that cost me.  They are putting me in a property class in one of the other sections to ensure I am full time. I don't particulalry mind the late afternoon hours early evening hours.  But one of my profs is an adjunct and I worry a bit about finding it harder to meet people if most of my classmates in the section are working as well.  I am sure I can adapt though, it will just be a bit of a paradigm shift.

William Mitchell / Re: First Post
« on: June 04, 2006, 08:14:38 PM »
Does it list which profs teach the classes in each section as the last post seems to indicate?  Where did you find this information?

Sorry, I just saw the bottom of your post where you asked for additional pros.  I would say you hit on the major ones.  I would probably add that William Mitchell's use of adjuncts is probably a pro for a lot of upper levels.  I have heard the quality of people they bring in is very high, and it goes along well with their practical skills approach.  Additionally this provides some good networking in that your profs for certain classes are established members of the Twin Cities legal community.  One other con is that they only have one law journal, which surprises me really.  Also keep in mind when you say that St. Thomas has good employment rates, the question is where are they employed?  I know they claim a slightly higher bar passage rating than Mitchell right now, but the school still needs to prove itself.  Saint Thomas seems to be attracting similar firms to OCI's to an extent, but  more are likely to hire Mitchell grads.  Even the Saint Thomas career service office website seems to be more public service oriented, and this might be in part due to that is what is easiest for STU grads to get.  Perhaps the heaps of money they have will help them go tier 3 like all the speculators are saying, but this will be some time from now.  I really think if Mitchell curbs enrollment a bit they should bounce back to tier 3 where they have historically been. WM seems to be the safer bet, even if Saint Thomas is the shinier building.

Saint Louis U / Re: SLU, anyone?
« on: May 11, 2006, 11:48:03 PM »
Thanks for the reply above about the library assignment policy.  One other question I have is about the curve.  Another poster on the Pre-Law forum referenced a tough curve, but I didn't hear anything about that when I visited.  Could you enlighten me as to how rough the curve is at SLU?  Thanks much.

I am considering Mitchell too.  I don't think the majority of Mitchell's faculty is adjunct.  They have around 35 full time profs.  Yes, they do use adjuncts for certain upper level classes, but the quality of these people is quite high.   I am not sure I would classify their facilities as older, their recent renovation makes them quite nice I thought.  Certainly it is not as brand shiny new as St. Thomas, but when I think of old and dingy facilities, I think Hamline, not William Mitchell.  I am curious to here more about the fact there are not many happy students there.  I didn't necessarily get that vibe, though it did seem fairly driven and stressed out in a standard law school way.  I am sure compared to St. Thomas it is more stressful since there are more full tuition payinf students, it has a higher private sector bent, and does not have the coddling mid term system that STU has.  St. Thomas's stock is certainly on the rise, but it hasn't yet proven itself.  I think it first needs to overtake Hamline before it can try to overtake William Mitchell.  How well is St Thomas law school integrated with their other programs?  Those connections will be crucial in the lack of an alumni base. 

Saint Louis U / Re: SLU, anyone?
« on: May 09, 2006, 02:06:13 AM »
Was that your sole factor for not going to SLU?  I admit it is not something that sounded appealing for an already tough 1L semester, but it is not a swing factor on its own.

Saint Louis U / Re: SLU, anyone?
« on: May 04, 2006, 04:08:45 PM »
One question for any SLU student.  I was a bit intimidated by the fact that 1L's can't use Westlaw or Nexis Lexis their first semester.  No other law school I am considering has that policy.  I certainly understand the intrinsic value of such a policy, but it seemed like it would add even more stress to an already stressful LWR class.  Can anyone comment how much extra work and stress it added or am I allowing myself to be pysched out by this policy?

Saint Louis U / Re: SLU, anyone?
« on: April 03, 2006, 05:55:40 PM »

I concur with your perceptions about friendliness of SLU folks and the connection between faculty and students.  The jesuit spirit seems to work in positive ways there, and it is certainly not oppressively catholic.  The students seemed happy to be there.  Did you by any chance see where the nearest light rail stop to the law school was?  I heard there was one right by SLU Med School, which I gather is a mile or so away.  In my three possible locations I am trying to see if it is feasible not to have a car at first, asI think it might keep me more grounded.  Saint Louis, for all its flaws, still certainly has some lovely neighborhoods and really nice architecture.

Saint Louis U / Re: SLU, anyone?
« on: April 01, 2006, 12:00:05 AM »
I visited SLU last week and was impressed with the facilities and generally laid back vibe of the student body.  They seem quite wired to the community, which should not be surprising, as Wash U grads are more likely to leave the area.  The city was a mixed bag.  The immediate area around SLU seemed a bit dull, but the Central West End was 2 miles away and a bit more lively. Forest Park is not far off either. The Loop district seemed more friendly to young people, but is actually in University City and not Saint Louis. Saint Louis's downtown seems like it is trying to come back, but it will take a while (though the Washington Avenue area has potential). The school had a lot of upside, but it was the direction of the city that worried me. I am still debating between SLU, Cincinnati, and William Mitchell.  The rust belt/declining feel of many parts of Saint Louis makes me uneasy since one never knows if they will end up the city of the school after graduation.  Cincinnati is even more rust belt/declining though, so it could be worse.  Either way, both cities will be huge a step down culturally from Minneapolis/St. Paul, but the school might have enough to make me take that plunge.

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