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I had powerpoint but never used it in law school, also you can download a free program to view powerpoint presentations, it will not let you create them but in law school you never should have to.  Costco sells Microsoft office student edition for about 80 bucks and that has word, access, outlook, excel, and powerpoint.  If you really want it though I agree with checking with your school too, but Costco also sells a student edition.  If you don't have Costco try Sam's club, but honestly I never did a powerpoint presentation in law school and have never needed it as an attorney.

If you just want to view presentations that your professor posts try this link:

The solution is for the ABA to stop approving so many schools.  Seriously, T3 and T4 schools are essentially worthless to the profession.  I would say even most schools outside of the T6 probably are. 

In the meantime, depressed law students will just have to get by on this:

The ABA should stop approving so many schools, as I said earlier, but it should also crack down on those which refuse to raise their standards.  Honestly, if your school's bar passage rate is below, say, 90%, the school isn't doing it's job (recruiting and training effective lawyers) and should be denied ABA accreditation.

so by your standards Stanford is a bad law school?  1 UCLA 88.7% (235/265)  2 Stanford 88.0% (73/83)  3 Boalt 87.0% (201/231)

The vast majority of lawyers did not go to a top 6 school (although since Stanford didn't pass 90% I guess you would not count them as a good school so now you are saying 5 law schools?

Current Law Students / Re: how does westlaw work?
« on: March 30, 2006, 01:38:11 PM »
the value comes in that to site a case that has been overturned is suicide, it will lose you the case at best and land you in jail at worst.  If you look in law library books you will see in the back they have updates.  The online services keep the cases up to date and give quick signals to people if the case is up to date.  They also point out the most relevant lines of text, which you can not site those (you will learn they are summarys), they still lead you to the relevent text, which saves me hours every day.

Current Law Students / Re: Pepperdine went down 10 spots...
« on: March 30, 2006, 09:08:56 AM »
Honestly most firms don't care about the specific number, just the tier with the exception of top 14.  Thus firms see T14, tier 1, 2, 3, 4.  Granted there are exceptions but most firms will not care if your ranked 77 or 87, its when you drop out of the top 100 when it can hurt you.  I do however find it ironic that most law schools sign a paper saying they do not like the rankings, yet many send out explanations to alumni when they drop.  Also someone said their dean sent out a letter saying they had moved up to 80 I believe from T3.  Ironic the Depaul dean signed a letter against rankings, yet sends out a letter bragging about the jump. Be proud of the jump, but dont say you disagree with them, thats sending out conflicting messages.

click on the link: this letter has been endorsed by the following deans.

Current Law Students / Re: how does westlaw work?
« on: March 30, 2006, 07:51:27 AM »
There are info packets on cost effective research available at your legal research center, or from your westlaw and lexis reps.  They do not really point out the specific costs of research as those do change from firm to firm.  The real key to keeping costs down is to learn how to search using proper connectors and keeping the search limited to cases that are important (thus limiting districts and time).  The most important advise I can say is do not use natural language searches, they cost more and do not work as well. Also when doing document review for a firm, the programs use the same type of connection terms.

Current Law Students / Re: Lexis or WestLaw?
« on: March 30, 2006, 07:45:10 AM »
In school I used westlaw, but my firm almost exclusively uses lexis, it is important to know both because at many firms they only pay for one service. Bigger firms like mine have contracts with both so I could use either but smaller firms dont have the capital to contract with both companies so the managing partner will choose their favorite and you are stuck with their decision.

Current Law Students / Re: summer job
« on: March 26, 2006, 11:40:10 AM »
No I am from California but I work at a big law firm (not by NY standards but large for San Diego) and so I was surprised that associates could get a job at a large firm yet still be incompetent.  I knew there were plenty of bad lawyers out there but to be working at a firm with over 200 lawyers I was surprised that some people with 5 years of experience still couldn't write a brief worth what the firm is paying them.

Current Law Students / Re: summer job
« on: March 26, 2006, 10:13:32 AM »
the cost effective class is well worth your time, for instance I didnt know that it costs more to do a natural language search or that searching all the districts can cost hundreds per a search. There is no set fee however, as posted above firms negotiate there terms but it is well worth the time to learn the short cuts and you get good at legal research real quick when the senior partner is asking you for a memo asap.  I was nervous at first too until I realised how bad other people are (I am talking people with many years experience) and then I gained a lot more confidence in my research skills.

Current Law Students / Re: Love the law?!?!?
« on: March 21, 2006, 12:48:05 PM »
If you are that unhappy in law school then I would strongly recommend either a non law job or a government job.  Most people in law firms are not happy, and with the debt of law school the money really can be tight.  As for loving the law, everyone at my firm loves the money not the law.  But if your not happy the big salary wont do much and alchoholism runs rampant.

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