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« on: January 17, 2006, 04:36:28 PM »
There are the 2-5 page fact patterns and then... then at the very bottom most likely it will say discuss any/all claims and or defenses that may arise within the fact pattern.  And we're just supposed to have at it. 

This question may be hard to gauge and may not come out right but... what is that "thing" that unwritten exam skill that the A students have and the C students will never understand.  Is it IRAC?  No.. because it doesn't work for all classes and are tailored more for element based classes.  What do you do how do you write law school exams?

The key and it has been said over and over again is the analysis... you must know the black letter law but its the ANALYSIS that wins you points.  This is hammered over and over again into 1L's brains.  How exactly do you learn how to analyze... or what information to analyze?? 

Let's take an example.  Torts... and negligence.  Where would you go to find out exactly how to analyze this on your exam?  I know that you're supposed to practice writing but what if you don't even know where to start??  I know you're supposed to discuss the reasonable person standard... I know that there's a forumula for causation and proximate cause... where do you uncover or find out that is what you're supposed to apply on the exam?

If you understand my question... someone please shed some light. 

Thanks for all of your comments guys  ;)  There's a lot of good information here. The checklist idea was especially insightful.   

I honestly think it depends on the strength of your character.  If you don't know who you are and you don't know what you want out of life personally (because obviously you know what you want to do professionally) your relationship will have as many ups and downs as you have good and bad days.  If you get called on in class and you bomb and look stupid... you come home don't want to talk and really just want to be by yourself.  Or, if you ace your exam you come home, are ecstatic and want to celebrate. 

Before I left home... my bf and I decided to get married and somewhat rushed it... BIG MISTAKE.  We had only known one another for a year and the relationship couldn't possibly withstand the ups, downs and every which ways of the emotional roller coaster that is law school.  We divorced and the divorce was final a few months ago. 

This doesn't mean that you shouldn't have faith in your own relationship enduring and going the distance ... but the LAW STUDENT portion of the relationship... better know for sure they want that relationship no matter what.  They will make time and the extra effort necessary.  Because if the law student doesn't care and puts all other things behind law school it doesn't have a chance.

Current Law Students / Re: What to Do with a 1.71 GPA at a <T4
« on: January 12, 2006, 07:34:37 PM »

I voted for you to apply for a restart.  You have a legitimate disease in alcoholism and this would look favorable in front of a re-admit committee.  You obviously wanted law school bad enough otherwise you wouldn't have gone to a Tier4 wanting to "work your way up."  There's also the financial investment. 

The good thing about life is there's always second chances.  Good luck ... Chin up!  Don't give up on your dreams.

Yes outlining is supposed to cement the concepts learned in class, the book, and casebriefs but for me I find myself staring at one source and typing it directly into what I think an outline should look like while learning nothing.  If you're like me give me some tips on what you do. 

I think outlining for me and the way that I learn is a big waste of time.  Everyone learns differently so I don't want to hear people bash this.  I'm just interested in the what individuals like me for whom outlining doesn't help... do with their studying... more specifically how they study because they don't outline. 

Current Law Students / Re: Small Firms Go Out of Business Easily???
« on: January 09, 2006, 08:20:02 PM »
For me, the only true way to have security is to work for yourself.  So I'll spend a few years at a firm to build a nice nest egg/experience/pay off the loans then put out my own shingle.   

A buddy of mine goes to Cooley and is absolutely ecstatic each and every time he gets a C.  For some reason even though Cooley is ranked super low, A C there is equal to a B+ anywhere else... and the curve is like 80% C's.  hahaha   

Survival of the fittest over there I guess.  I feel for him that would truly suck. 

Current Law Students / Re: Best study method
« on: January 07, 2006, 01:50:42 AM »
I've said this elsewhere, but if you find that outlining doesn't work for you, don't feel that you have to do it just because everyone else is.  I've never outlined and I've done very well in school.  I have a friend who only outlines if the exam is in class (rather than a take home) because he only needs to have quick access for an in class exam.  Others feel that they really learn the stuff when they have to outline to go over it.

I don't outline because I just find myself typing things in mindlessly - sometimes copying straight from the book which doesn't help me.  I tend to go through my notes (handwritten) and highlight important points, sometimes writing those points into another, more condensed notepad.  For example, for my first amendment exam I just wrote out the rules on separate pieces of paper and added notes about how to best apply them.

I'd add a few other pieces of advice: if you do buy hornbooks I'd read them during the semester - you run out of time at the end.  For example, when you start discovery in Civ Pro, I'd read the chapter on discovery in the E&E (most people say the E&E for Civ Pro is the best).  That way you get a good overview and see how the pieces fit together.

I'd also suggest writing at least one practice exam before your first set of exams.  At least for me, there was just something about that blank piece of paper and figuring out how to best structure an answer.  I know people use IRAC or whatever, but you still have to come up with the words and with that first sentence.  I remember looking around during my first exam and a full half the class couldn't figure out what to start with.

Finally, I liked reading through sample exam questions (from the prof are best though those are limited) and answers.  CrunchTime series usually has good ones for a lot of courses.  That helps you figure out how to apply the law - it isn't just about knowing the black letter law.  Most of your class will enter the exam knowing the same black letter law that you do.  To distinguish yourself you'll have to apply it well.

All I can think of now... perhaps I should get back to my own exam studies...

So how exactly did you study if you didn't outline?  I know for most people it is an incredible time commitment to outline... how else did you allocate your broad study time if not to outline?  The reason why I ask is because I don't think outlining will work for me either... or help me "think" through and learn the material.  I'll just end up copying verbatim from some commercial outline... waste my time and at the end of it have learned nothing.  I think a lot of people are scared to admit that outlining just isn't for them... simply because EVERYONE and their dog does it. 

Job Search / 1st Year Clerkships?
« on: January 07, 2006, 01:15:52 AM »
I've always heard that you're supposed to complete your first year with flying colors and then come summer get an awesome clerkship with a judge for the summer.  This is sort of a three part question: 

Does this apply to anyone no matter what field of law they want to enter? 

Are clerkships a blanket good thing to do? 

What are some other things you can do besides clerkships with judges? 

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