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Law School Applications / Re: Am i on the right track?
« on: January 10, 2013, 11:59:12 PM »
From what I've read the only law schools that really care about "softs" are Harvad, Yale, and Standford simply because they are so competitive.  Even the other lower T14s don't care about softs that much.  Not everyone can be a the student body president, after all.
To be fair, softs are not as important as numbers, but you've gotta have something to put on your resume or law schools are going to notice. I guess it's better to have a 4.0 with no clubs than a 3.5 with tons, though.

Okay thanks guys.

To be honest, my undergraduate degree plan depends on whether I have a chance a law school or not. That's why I'm kind of freaking out.

Thanks again!

Don't do anything in undergrad just for the sake of law school. Make sure your degree is valuable to you in its own right.

The predictor doesn't take into account F's though, am I right?

The predictor takes whatever numbers you give it. Your LSAC GPA will be lower than your university GPA it sounds like due to the Fs. LSAC counts your Fs whether they were repeated or not.

Law School Applications / Re: Am i on the right track?
« on: January 10, 2013, 10:12:50 AM »
Put in a little effort with the international students club regularly. It's good to show some depth and breadth in student activities. You don't need to commit to dozens of hours a week but it can show that you are someone who's from a different background and tries to help others. Obviously being a URM is a huge help.

Generally, if you are still in school, law schools are interested in letters of rec from Professors, but it could help to have 1 LOR talking about how hard you've worked during school. The important part is to ask your boss or whoever writes the letter to talk about your capacity for success in law school. Something like "applicant works very hard here at work and in school, has been able to do so while being a good employee and keeping gpa up, has good organizational skills," whatever. After a while letters of rec read the same to adcomm members and they are only a soft factor, but every but helps and could be the difference between wait listed accepted and wait listed rejected at your dream schools.

Law School Applications / Re: Exaggerations on Law School Application
« on: January 10, 2013, 10:03:03 AM »
In CA, the character and fitness questionnaire doesn't ask about your extracurricular activities unless they affect your ability to practice law. I'm not sure how OP's extracurricular activities would come up in this context unless someone that OP listed as a reference mentions he lied on his law school apps instead of just checking the boxes that OP is fit to practice law.

Obviously even JohnnyStarks, the OP, knows he made a mistake. Lesson here is: don't lie! Maintain is right that you never know if it could bite you in the butt.

FWIW, I had a minor issue with C&F, reported it to my law school and the bar C&F committee, and I never heard a thing about it again except a month before the bar exam I got a letter saying I'd passed C&F. This is in CA.

The Fs will hurt you mostly through your GPA. Ws aren't a problem as long as they're not excessive.

Non-Traditional Students / Re: What do law schools look for?
« on: January 09, 2013, 07:56:40 AM »
It's better to have an upward curve than a downward one, and schools will note that, but at the end of the day, your GPA is your GPA. If there's a good enough reason to look past it, a law school will, but most people don't have a Nobel prize on their resume. At least if they're telling the truth!

It's very realistic to improve in the 150s with some hard studying!

Timing is definitely something you can work on, too. If you find a particularly difficult problem, it's often in your best interest to skip it and come back. Just make sure you don't mis-bubble!

By the way, I merged your threads so the discussion would be in one place.

Law School Applications / Re: Exaggerations on Law School Application
« on: January 08, 2013, 11:54:44 PM »
There's a difference between exaggeration and lying. Sometimes the two can be confused. Neither is great.

That being said, "mere puffery" to use the contracts parlance, is usually not sufficient to constitute fraud. I'd analogize something similarly to here. Did you outright lie? For #2, the answer seems yes.

The most ethical and legal thing to do would be to admit that you did this to your law school and they probably wouldn't care other than putting a note in your file. Of course, your file, including your law school application, will be sent to the state's moral character and fitness committee. The likelihood of someone from either your law school or the state bar committee finding out you made a minor lie is extremely remote.

That being said, I think you would be foolish for turning yourself. I am not advocating dishonesty, but you have already committed the error and at least for now, you've gotten away with it. Unless you're worried about getting caught, I don't see any upside to confessing other than doing the "right thing."

I really don't have any softs to put on my application.  I have some work experience, but only fast food, grocery story and working for my parent's PI office...
Sounds like you have something to put down to me. If you've done some club work, put it down. If you had to work for money to pay for school, many law school applications will accept a socioeconomic statement stating you had to work through school.

Bottom line is, make your resume professional with your part time jobs and list a few activities and you shouldn't get any raised eyebrows. Not everyone can be student body president, nor is that necessarily what law schools are looking for in everyone.

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