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General Board / Re: Stay or leave?
« on: June 05, 2015, 11:03:30 AM »
How good (or not) your grades are really depends on your school's curve. That's the only way to know if you are competitive. If your school ranks, that's one way to find out. All of your questions are school and curve-specific. A 2.9 at Columbia is probably dead last, but the name will help you get something, even if it's not biglaw. A 2.9 somewhere else in a highly respected regional school where that's average to above average grades might give you a shot at midlaw. There are other, worse scenarios, but I won't go into those because hopefully they don't apply.

Meta Discussion / Re: Why can't I search?
« on: June 05, 2015, 10:28:55 AM »
As far as I know, he got a firm job and lived happily ever after.

Being a forum mod and site admin are two very different things. The latter would require access to the server and has the potential to screw up some stuff real good. I'm not a programmer and I wouldn't know how to fix it or what's wrong with it beyond the fact that it doesn't work.

I'm sorry; wish I could be more helpful. There's still a lot of good information stored here and some helpful posters. Hopefully you'll take from it what you can.

Meta Discussion / Re: Why can't I search?
« on: June 04, 2015, 01:59:00 PM »
Unlikely, as the guy who created this forum graduated from law school almost a decade ago and he's the only one who can edit the source code.

Meta Discussion / Re: Why can't I search?
« on: June 03, 2015, 04:50:36 PM »
I believe that the search function is not operational at this time, but on the bright side, this site does seem to allow its contents to be indexed by search engines. Hence you can go to google and type in your search term, then append site: and you will be able to get results matching your search from this site.

For example, if you were interested in the LSAT, and the google prompt enter:

     LSAT site:

Happy Hunting,

Sometimes I don't get my bar card until a while after the year starts. California sends out bar cards with the year but fees aren't due until Feb. 1, so I don't have a bar card for that year yet. Doesn't mean I'm not a lawyer for the first month or so of every year.

Pre-Law in high school / Re: Upcoming Undergrad-- Law???
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:07:11 PM »
The majority of lawyers deal with more mundane things like contract disputes, wills, divorces, and DUIs.

And don't forget personal injury/liability...those lawyers who advertise on billboards are generally looked down upon by the profession, but the ones who are successful are some of the richest practicing attorneys.

The number of California-approved but non-ABA schools plus foreign lawyers should also be considered with that bar passage rate. A more comparable # is first-time ABA takers.

Pre-Law in high school / Re: Upcoming Undergrad-- Law???
« on: May 28, 2015, 08:13:41 AM »
I don't have the exact quote, but there's only like a dozen lawyers who regularly deal with Constitutional issues, and they all went to Yale, Harvard or Stanford decades ago. Don't let this discourage you but you should have a realistic picture of what lawyers do.

I enjoy my job, but many find aspects to be mind-numbing. Checking evidence and that all of the metaphorical Is are dotted and Ts are crossed isn't for everyone.

General Board / Re: Transferring T4 to T1 w/ top %3
« on: May 19, 2015, 07:31:15 PM »

It's worth noting that Georgetown's early action is somewhat unusual in that it doesn't require two semesters of transcripts, but if you killed it first semester seems like a good option, unless it's contingent on grades your 2nd 1L semester.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: A WARNING about Phoenix School of Law
« on: January 14, 2015, 02:40:30 PM »
As with anything you need to...what?

I have my doubts about PSL. I'd be interested in seeing what percentage of their 1Ls go on to be attorneys making money for more than a couple years. Hell, even a year of anything besides hanging out your shingle and praying. Fact is, the market sucks right now, and "even" people from schools like ASU aren't getting jobs regularly.

There may be a law school, using the term loosely, for everyone, but law school is about more than 3 years of classes and eventually passing the bar. This is not to single out PSL other than the fact that they are the topic of discussion, but I wouldn't recommend a significant minority of ABA schools either. The statistics show that unless you are well connected or go to a very top school, you are much more likely to end up having a ton of debt and wasted time with nothing to put on your résumé.

Before anyone posts back saying i know such and such lawyer who went to such and such no name school and got a great job, all I can say is good for your friend but look past the anecdotal evidence and look at the statistics. Everyone wants to be in the top 10% and law schools are great at assembling a class within a few IQ points of each other. Sorry if this comes off as harsh but that is reality these days.

Good luck to anyone facing this decision.

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