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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Years Later
« on: November 30, 2012, 08:57:27 PM »
Wow, belated bump.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Best Pre Law Course
« on: November 30, 2012, 08:56:46 PM »
Take symbolic logic, because it prepares you very well for the LSAT and parsing dense sentences to their meaning.

Other than that, as the above poster said, classes that focus on writing and reading are good. Some undergraduate professors in Political Science and Philosophy use socratic method. Law-related undergraduate classes won't impress anyone but they can give you an idea about the various fields of the law and what it's actually like. has a list of average LSAT scores by major. While I'm not suggesting you pick your major based on what gets the highest LSAT scores, you could certainly use it as a good list of classes that require critical thinking. Note that pre-law and criminology majors do the worst, suggesting those classes aren't particularly good at teaching the kind of critical thinking required by the LSAT and law school, if you believe the LSAT is a good indicator of law school success.

General Board / Re: civ pro joinder question
« on: November 30, 2012, 08:48:23 PM »
I believe so. It seems like arising out of the same T&O is the key. See

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(a) Persons Who May Join or Be Joined.

(1) Plaintiffs. Persons may join in one action as plaintiffs if:

(A) they assert any right to relief jointly, severally, or in the alternative with respect to or arising out of the same transaction, occurrence, or series of transactions or occurrences; and

(B) any question of law or fact common to all plaintiffs will arise in the action.

Note it does not have a particular requirement that the plaintiff claim relief from everyone.

Compare with below, the procedure for adding defendants:

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2) Defendants. Persons—as well as a vessel, cargo, or other property subject to admiralty process in rem—may be joined in one action as defendants if:

(A) any right to relief is asserted against them jointly, severally, or in the alternative with respect to or arising out of the same transaction, occurrence, or series of transactions or occurrences; and

(B) any question of law or fact common to all defendants will arise in the action.

Finally, note:

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(3) Extent of Relief. Neither a plaintiff nor a defendant need be interested in obtaining or defending against all the relief demanded. The court may grant judgment to one or more plaintiffs according to their rights, and against one or more defendants according to their liabilities.

So I think if you had A suing B and C, because they arise from the same O&T, D can join.

If you had D suing C and D does not have a claim against B, obviously he couldn't add B, but then A could join and then get B involved.

Luckily, I'm not applying!

Unfortunately, what you're talking about sounds like the unauthorized practice of law, at least with respect to wills and contracts, probably employee benefits. I imagine investment businesses are regulated in some way, but not by the state bar unless it's some sort of finance law. Not sure what you mean by negotiations. Immigration work is not necessarily the practice of law but anything involving immigration law would be off limits.

I agree with the above poster that you should take the bar examination. Even if you are in a tough state like CA or NY, there are options. I also agree that some background or paralegal work, under the supervision of a licensed attorney, might be a good way to get your feet wet.

Class rank is definitely considered via CAS reports. You can look and see how your GPA stacks up against other law school applicants from the same university. As the above posters said, the LSCAS GPA is what is reported to USN&WR, but your relative rank will show up.

Law School Applications / Re: How does LSAC deal with withdrawals?
« on: November 29, 2012, 09:51:31 PM »
Your CAS report should show the withdrawals, but unless you have a ton, it shouldn't be a biggie. As the above poster said, they will not hurt your GPA unless they were withdraw(fail).

You should take what you find interesting or useful for a career. The benefit a double major would add to your law school application is negligible, but the benefits of getting a higher GPA or taking some useful classes can't be understated.

Law School Applications / Re: Resume
« on: November 29, 2012, 09:48:02 PM »
Unless you have a lot of work experience or some serious academic publications, one page is probably fine.

What should be included is everything that helps the admissions committee get a (positive) idea about you.

Law School Applications / Re: Employment Question on Applications
« on: November 29, 2012, 09:46:47 PM »
Technically, if it says "list all," then you should do just that—list all. It's extremely unlikely, but being less than completely candid could hurt you when you apply to moral character and fitness. You'll have to complete a lengthy background check, which will require every place of employment.

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