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It's unlikely that state bar rules can be challenged due to the commerce clause. I'm assuming you mean the dormant commerce clause because the ICC would clearly favor more regulation, but by the Feds, not the states.

I seem to remember a case from Con Law in the '50s or '60s when someone challenged the bar admission rules under the privileges and immunities clause, probably something about requiring that a state allow non-residents to take their bar exam. But I don't see how the ICC or the dormant commerce clause could be used to challenge state bar rules when it's long established that each state sets its own bar, literally, including the admissions standards (and doesn't discriminate against the privileges and immunities clause, although I could see how you could try to make that argument, likely unsuccessfully).

So as a follow-up, I needed to fail the first time.  I PASSED the october FYLSE - don't know the score yet, snail mail;)

Law School Applications / Re: Resume
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:11:26 PM »
I do not know if most people want to submit a C.V. for law school applications. It makes sense for some people with significant undergraduate research or other graduate school work. You are applying to an academic institution, but not academia itself. In the end most people will probably be best served by a business resume since that's what you'd be sending out as a lawyer.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Book of 101 LSAT Tips
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:08:42 PM »
Looks good, thank you for posting!

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Baby Bar
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:39:32 PM »
BTW, on the bar 65 is passing for the essays. Is that the same for the FYLSE? If so a 60 doesn't seem so bad, certainly capable of being remedied.

Sounds like some jennid knows the law but needs more essay practice. Have someone look at the essays to see what simple things you can do to improve your formatting and style.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: military options
« on: December 09, 2012, 12:41:21 AM »
JAG, regardless of the branch, is extremely competitive these days, and even if you don't deploy, the attitude that you want to will go far.

Unfortunately, none of the military branches will pay for college and law school ahead of time.

The question is: Are you more dedicated to becoming a military officer or an attorney? Remember, JAG officers are officers first.

If you're more interested in becoming an officer, ROTC during college is a great way to pay for it. If you've got good scores and a law school acceptance in hand you can apply for Educational Delay and go to law school, hoping to snag a JAG spot, but that won't be guaranteed. The other option is working for 2-4 years and then applying for the Funded Legal Education Program(FLEP, varies by branch). There's a small number of active duty officers selected to attend law school with a full ride from the government and continue to be paid while in school. It's a great deal if you can get it but you'd generally need to have a Tier 1 acceptance in hand to even be considered.

The bottom line is, there are many ways to serve and paths to becoming a Judge Advocate. Depending on your interests and branch, you have a few routes. But you absolutely have to be prepared to be an officer and serve in a combat zone.

Certainly I have known people who got into Top 14, Top 20, Tier 1, whatever schools having smoked pot and gotten an alcohol citation. It will be a negative soft factor for the OP and every admissions committee will at least have a comment about it.

What may suck for OP is that it's unclear what evidence the police had against him in the underage alcohol incident. Did you receive intoxicated in public (while minor) or whatever your state equivalent is? What led the police to believe that you were intoxicated? Did you make any attempt to fight the charge? I doubt anything could be done now; just curious.

I don't think most law school applications ask about that. And, at least for CA, the state bar questionnaire asks about fitness to practice law. I'd be extremely surprised if, absent other circumstances, a history of depression alone caused any eyebrow raising at the moral character and fitness committee. A recent DUI, on the other hand...

Law School Applications / Re: Is it better to apply early with a lower GPA?
« on: December 09, 2012, 12:32:07 AM »
Like you said, it's extremely hypothetical.

You don't know what grades you'll get this year—or next Fall.

But let's say, for argument's sake, you do. The trade-off then is (the possibility of) a slightly higher GPA vs. applying early. It's probably a wash. Going complete early gives you more consideration and the most chance at the few spots that are truly competitive in a law school class. A higher GPA always helps in that it can move you from the maybe to yes category, but you're again assuming a lot about your grades.

A middle of the road option would be simply to apply as early as possible and then update schools after your Fall semester grades are in. It's unlikely that any of your target schools will have accepted or denied you before then.

If it were me, I'd apply early and hope for good grades next Fall.

It's not clear from your story but what did you get in the second incident? Were you in possession of alcohol or just intoxicated?

Also, from the first story it's not entirely clear if that's a criminal sanction or a student sanction.

Either way, it will be a difficult hurdle to overcome. As you may or may not know, you have to report these incidents to law school and the state bar regardless of whether or not they remain or will remain on your record.

The trouble is that both involve criminal conduct, regardless of whether or not the first incident was criminal or 'merely' student. It shows that you, as a young student, have had trouble with the law due to the use of drugs and alcohol. Yes, they are relatively minor, and people who are convicted murderers and who have DUIs are admitted to law school and the bar, but it will probably cause many schools second thoughts.

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