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I agree with the above. All I have to add is that a part-time may program may be the best way to go, as you still have a family to consider. Many law students in full-time programs are straight from undergrad or a year or two out and don't have kids. They will be your competition.

A part-time program, in addition to better suiting a family lifestyle, may understand your situation during undergrad better and allow you to attend a higher-ranked school than if you attend a full-time program. It is well-known that for schools with both full-time and part-time JD programs, the part-time programs have less stringent admissions requirements. Some students that desire to then switch to the full-time program and make up the credits over the summer. I wouldn't recommend this, but if you find that you have extra time as a 1L(!!) then you could consider it.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Good Programs for Law Grads
« on: October 26, 2014, 11:00:18 AM »
I don't think an MPA would be of much use to OP, as he already has a JD. If the sole purpose of the degree is to get student internships and an in somewhere while he applies to general government jobs, then it'd be fine and relevant.

But, IMO, best thing for OP to do would be to pick a more specific skill or field he can study at the Master's level or even Bachelor's that will enhance his overall application. Math, engineering, econ, CS, those fields never go out of style and some would even qualify OP for the patent bar if he decides to practice law.

Also, depends on OP's undergrad.

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Law School Applications / Re: Disciplinary action
« on: October 24, 2014, 12:38:33 AM »
You must disclose all incidents of discipline and whatever else is requested of you, both for your application and later for the bar. There is obviously a record of it somewhere if you were placed on any sort of probation. What they probably meant is it does not show up on your transcripts; however most law schools will require conduct certification from your undergrad.

It will likely not be a problem for admissions as long as you disclose, are honest about the circumstances, and briefly acknowledge you were in the wrong.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: I took the LSAT December 5th!
« on: October 14, 2014, 07:55:45 PM »
Congratulations! What made your experience unique?

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Law School Applications / Re: Please Help!
« on: October 08, 2014, 05:40:01 AM »
There are private student loans I think, plus (in theory) scholarships
I would say this is even more reason to aim military though, they pay for it and room and board
One cannot join the U.S. military unless one is already a permanent resident or citizen.

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Law School Applications / Re: Please Help!
« on: October 07, 2014, 03:57:27 PM »
A few questions for OP:

Why the US? How will you finance your education, given non-US citizens aren't eligible for financial aid?

Frankly, even assuming admissions were no problem, many law students in the US have trouble financing their education. You'd then be a US JD graduate, but not be eligible to work here. What is your eventual goal?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Scalia on religion
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:46:26 PM »
I think that if we're using Scalia's "originalism," we'd look at the Founders and realize they were deists, who didn't believe God intervenes at all after setting the world into motion. So, I don't think it would be a huge stretch according to his actual theory that they would be just as happy with agnosticism or atheism or pastafarianism. Pastafarianism would certainly seem to be a good way to "practice" atheism with 1st amendment protection, but I wonder about the MOVE series of cases where they added the sincerely held element to the test.

Realistically, it seems pretty clear that the current Court and some in the past would read the Free Exercise clause as benefitting religion over non-believers/non-practicers.

This is somewhat reflective of a larger tension between the Free Exercise and the Establishment clauses.

Nice comparison of his cushy and powerful job on the Supreme Court to the journey to Mt. Doom.
Had to research the pasta thing, I also looked up MOVE but found something that I doubt is what you were talking about (crazy *&^% though-and started as religious based all the same)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

Not sure if that's it or I am misremembering case name. It was a somewhat controversial philosophy, like MOVE, that many adherents claimed was a religion. Then there was a decision where the Supreme Court said it had to be sincerely held, equivalent to a religion, but not necessarily exactly a religion...eh, I don't have time to research the case names today but those were the general issues.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Scalia on religion
« on: October 06, 2014, 03:12:50 AM »
I think that if we're using Scalia's "originalism," we'd look at the Founders and realize they were deists, who didn't believe God intervenes at all after setting the world into motion. So, I don't think it would be a huge stretch according to his actual theory that they would be just as happy with agnosticism or atheism or pastafarianism. Pastafarianism would certainly seem to be a good way to "practice" atheism with 1st amendment protection, but I wonder about the MOVE series of cases where they added the sincerely held element to the test.

Realistically, it seems pretty clear that the current Court and some in the past would read the Free Exercise clause as benefitting religion over non-believers/non-practicers.

This is somewhat reflective of a larger tension between the Free Exercise and the Establishment clauses.

Nice comparison of his cushy and powerful job on the Supreme Court to the journey to Mt. Doom.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 04, 2014, 01:47:28 PM »
FreshlyMinted, I can't decide whether you truly don't understand what we wrote or you are a very good, subtle troll. I'm hoping for the latter for you personally, even though it wouldn't be great for the board.

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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:09:49 PM »
Let the LLM programs decide that for themselves. I know some state bars don't even care about undergrad (crazy but true) as long as you have the JD for example. The LLM (when not being used for a license) still might hurt an ABA grads feelings to see a nonaccredited grad get accepted into, but you either are good enough to pass or you are not. If they can cut muster, let them. If they barely make it, easier curve for the rest of us. I honestly say let that be between them and the LLM program.

Plus if an admissions committee is opening the flood gates that easy to let people in, that strikes me as them needing to clean their own home before asking others to clean theirs.

This strikes me as an internal affair. If they need to make it an external affair, ask the ABA to pass a ruling on it.
Personally it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they let people with no prior education at all into the LLM as long as the school knew what they were doing when they did it(and if not, the fault is on the school IMHO)

Those students admitted to LLM programs are, as JonLevy said, admitted based on a misrepresentation or a mistake. Any student at an ABA school knows he or she has an affirmative duty to correct such mistakes. Novus to an ABA LLM is at best unethical, at worst illegal, and bad for the profession regardless. It is bad for the profession because there are too many attorneys, particularly in states with looser licensing requirements, like California, and making it easier isn't going to help. In my opinion, at least, it is bad for the profession if these students with no real legal training other than a year-long LLM and a bar prep course attempt practicing law. Law school teaches one much more than how to pass the bar, and conversely, I don't think simply being able to pass the bar makes one a good attorney. A smart undergrad could probably pass the bar with a few more months to study.

The admissions committee of any individual school is geared towards maximizing their profits and prestige, so yes, I do partially blame the schools. They don't have the best interests of the law, the student, or the profession in mind.

I do think the ABA could do more, but the ABA probably already has a rule about what qualifies as a foreign law school. I doubt Novus counts under their rules as a bona fide foreign law school.

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