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Where should I go next fall? / Re: FSU or Stetson
« on: June 24, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »
P.S.- if you plan on working in Tallahassee during the summer. Forget it. It ain't gonna happen. Maybe a paying internship but as for a real earning job, they just don't exist in that city.

I just graduated from FSU law, so maybe I can chime in on the "real earning job" thing. First of all, most students do NOT stay in Tallahassee for their summers. 2L's generally go to Tampa, Orlando, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Jacksonville, or Atlanta for their summer associate positions.

Next, if you want to work during the school term OR IN THE SUMMER in Tallahassee you can still do that too. Tallahasse is filled to the brim with law firms. Most are smaller firms, but I never ran across someone who "couldn't get a job" in Tallahassee (who really wanted one...regardless of class rank) with a firm or State agency during their summer or during school.

I clerked at a firm during my 2L school year. It was "a real paying job." I also know many other people who had "real paying jobs" at firms during the school year. I don't know of any "paid internships" either. And I got quite a good paying gig as a summer associate in Orlando for my 2L summer associate position as well.

So "flakignipin" its pretty apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. You are talking out of your a$$. You're also frankly a little nutty to think that Stetson will offer you a better career path than FSU. FSU's name is much better than Stetson's in the Florida legal market. The only place where they are pretty much equal is Tampa. But then again, there are a lot of FSU grads working in Tampa, so maybe Stetson isn't that big of as advantage in the Tampa/St. Pete area as you think.

And as to your comment about what others think about Stetson top 20% and FSU top 20%, yes there's not much distinction....in Tampa/St. Pete. Try getting a job outside of that area with top 20% from Stetson. If its between you and the FSU kid in say...Atlanta or Orlando, they are probably going to go with the FSU kid.

To the OP: Frankly you're crazy to turn down just a Scholly + Stipend from FSU vs. just a Scholly from Stetson. Tallahassee isn't that great of a town, but its manageable.


P.S. - You said you spoke to hiring partners? How many? What firms? All I can say is that if you look at the NALP directory, you'll see that many more firms come to FSU than Stetson. Also, you do realize that the hiring partner is NOT the person who makes the decision about who to interview in most cases. Its done by a hiring committee.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: FSU or Stetson
« on: June 24, 2008, 05:14:09 PM »
P.S.- if you plan on working in Tallahassee during the summer. Forget it. It ain't gonna happen. Maybe a paying internship but as for a real earning job, they just don't exist in that city.

I just graduated from FSU law, so maybe I can chime in on the "real earning job" thing. First of all, most students do NOT stay in Tallahassee for their summers. 2L's generally go to Tampa, Orlando, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Jacksonville, or Atlanta for their summer associate positions.

Next, if you want to work during the school term OR IN THE SUMMER in Tallahassee you can still do that too. Tallahasse is filled to the brim with law firms. Most are smaller firms, but I never ran across someone who "couldn't get a job" in Tallahassee (who really wanted one...regardless of class rank) with a firm or State agency during their summer or during school.

I clerked at a firm during my 2L school year. It was "a real paying job." I also know many other people who had "real paying jobs" at firms during the school year. I don't know of any "paid internships" either. And I got quite a good paying gig as a summer associate in Orlando for my 2L summer associate position as well.

So "flakignipin" its pretty apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. You are talking out of your a$$. You're also frankly a little nutty to think that Stetson will offer you a better career path than FSU. FSU's name is much better than Stetson's in the Florida legal market. The only place where they are pretty much equal is Tampa. But then again, there are a lot of FSU grads working in Tampa, so maybe Stetson isn't that big of as advantage in the Tampa/St. Pete area as you think.

And as to your comment about what others think about Stetson top 20% and FSU top 20%, yes there's not much distinction....in Tampa/St. Pete. Try getting a job outside of that area with top 20% from Stetson. If its between you and the FSU kid in say...Atlanta or Orlando, they are probably going to go with the FSU kid.

To the OP: Frankly you're crazy to turn down just a Scholly + Stipend from FSU vs. just a Scholly from Stetson. Tallahassee isn't that great of a town, but its manageable.

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What's the curve at Miami? I was accepted to both, but the prospect of all that debt from Miami when I had a comparable school that was much cheaper made me deposit at UF.

If you lost your scholly, would that impact your decision? Not trying to be all doom and gloom, but you never know what can happen.

Curves don't matter. All the employer cares about is class rank. If you have a 85 average but you're in the bottom half of the class because of the curve, it will look a lot worse than an 85 average that puts you in the top third of the class.


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General Board / Re: Grades and Job Prospects - ADVICE PLEASE!!!!1
« on: June 20, 2008, 10:33:42 PM »
My advice: Stop being gay and sounding like a feminine hygiene product.

Acting like a giant feminine hygiene product and/or tool will get you no where in life fast.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: California Gay Marriage
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:25:52 PM »
Two things: arguing that same sex marriage should be legal does not require that people who think it is sinful or unnatural or whatever stop thinking that. You're free to think that, and other people are free to think you're a shithead for thinking it. You don't need to change your personal view for it to be legal.

Second, the CA Constitution and the federal Constitution are different documents. Please keep that in mind.

See. There you all go calling names when you realize that you're beaten at your own game.

Yes the California Constitution IS a seperate document from the Federal Constitution. But which one wins out in a fight? The Federal Constitution. And who's interpretations of both documents win out? The US Supreme Court's interpretation wins out.

Don't talk to me like I'm so 0L who has no idea about Constitutional Law.

What's it like being so bitter about life anyway?


I wasn't calling you a shithead, I was speaking in general terms. I realize that wasn't entirely clear.

State constitutions can give different/more rights than the federal constitution.

Yes they can. But I've yet to see a constitutional amendment to any state constitution that grants the right to gay marriage. The US Supreme Court still can say that the California Supreme Court is wrong in how they interpret their own State Constitution. At this point it is only a matter of constitutional interpretation. If there was an explicit amendment to the California Constitution, that specifically granted the right to Gay Marriage, then the US Supreme Court couldn't say anything. But as it is now, the California court's recent ruling runs counter to Lawrence's protection of traditional marriage. (and further, the majority in Lawrence specifically said that a Court couldn't do what the California supreme court did - harm an institution that the law protects, i.e. traditional marriage)

And with that I'm out. I don't have time to argue anymore for tonight. I'll always be wrong in you people's eyes anyway. So what does it matter. I have logic, reason, and Supreme Court precedent on my side. What do you have?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: California Gay Marriage
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:20:42 PM »

Ha ha. You obviously didn't read ANY of my post except for the sin part. There you go telling people not to "impose their beliefs" and yet you are doing the exact same thing.

Maybe your should get YOUR head out of YOUR ass.

How does my belief impose anything on you?  How does a gay marriage limit your civil liberties?  Please explain.

Unless you're sooooo offended by the very thought... well... then I see what the issue really is.

edit to add Re: the bold.  Get used to it.

This is useless argument. How does gay marriage NOT being legal limit your civil liberties when its NEVER been legal in this country in the first place?

By that logic, my civil liberties are imposed upon every day when I can't snort coke in public.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: California Gay Marriage
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:16:49 PM »
Two things: arguing that same sex marriage should be legal does not require that people who think it is sinful or unnatural or whatever stop thinking that. You're free to think that, and other people are free to think you're a shithead for thinking it. You don't need to change your personal view for it to be legal.

Second, the CA Constitution and the federal Constitution are different documents. Please keep that in mind.

See. There you all go calling names when you realize that you're beaten at your own game.

Yes the California Constitution IS a seperate document from the Federal Constitution. But which one wins out in a fight? The Federal Constitution. And who's interpretations of both documents win out? The US Supreme Court's interpretation wins out.

Don't talk to me like I'm some 0L who has no idea about Constitutional Law.

What's it like being so bitter about life anyway?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: California Gay Marriage
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:11:52 PM »
If I believe its a sin for two men or two women to have sex with each other, then you can't try to tell me that I should change my view on this.

You can believe it's a sin all you want.  I can believe it's not a sin all I want.  The difference between us?  You impose your beliefs on the world by opposing gay marriage while I impose nothing on you by supporting it.  I'm not telling what anybody what they can't do.  You are.

Or, are you soooooo sensitive that the very existence of gay people loving each other offends your universe?  If so...

Get your head out of your ass.  All of you.  I mean it.

Ha ha. You obviously didn't read ANY of my post except for the sin part. There you go telling people not to "impose their beliefs" and yet you are doing the exact same thing.

Maybe your should get YOUR head out of YOUR ass.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: California Gay Marriage
« on: June 11, 2008, 10:06:18 PM »
What is not fine, is for you to impose those beliefs on others, use them to justify public policy that impacts other people, and expect the government to enforce such an opinion/policy that's based on your interpretation of your religion. No one is saying you don't have a right to believe what you want to believe.

  


You should remember that. You don't have a right to impose your beliefs on others. That means all the proponents of gay marriage don't have a right to impose their beliefs on people who don't think gay marriage should be legal. This is my problem with all the proponents of gay marriage. They swing the sword of "imposing beliefs" against Christians when they argue for gay marriage, yet they also bring up "imposing beliefs" as a sheild when we Christians try to say that they don't believe its right.

You can't have it both ways. If I believe its a sin for two men or two women to have sex with each other, then you can't try to tell me that I should change my view on this. Further, you shouldn't try to persuade me that gay marriage is perfectly fine too. Because guess what? Its not in my opinion. And that's my opinion. We'll just all have to wait until we die to find out who's right and who's wrong.

In any event, this is a very large moot point. Supreme Court precedent is on the anti-gay marriage side. At some point this issue will make it to the US Supreme Court, and guess what? They will hold that the right of same-sex marriage is NOT one that the a State or Court can grant. In Lawrence v. Texas, the majority of the court held a State, or court, cannot “define the meaning of the [sexual] relationship [between adults] absent injury to a person or abuse of an institution the law protects." Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 567 (2003).

That "institution the law protects" is the traditional view of marriage, which is marriage between man and a woman. So guess what? The California Supreme Court, Massachussets and New York are all defying the will of the United States Supreme Court. So if this issue makes it up to the Supreme Court, the Court WILL rule against gay marriage as being legal. (and just so you know, that was Kennedy explicitly protecting traditional marriage, Scalia is rather plain in his view on gay marriage in his dissent).

So this is all one big moot point.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: best PDA for law school
« on: June 10, 2008, 09:24:14 AM »
None. WTF do you need a PDA for lawschool for?

Organizing your study times? You'll just look like a giant feminine hygiene product if you get one specifically for lawschool.

I'd save the money and spend it on something useful like alcohol. You'll need that a lot more.

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