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it say volumes about your priorities that you not value knowledge of--includimng respect for--constitution in president.

and your admission that not even know what community organizing speak volumes, too.  it have do with understanding, and caring about, dynamics of lives of most americans.

and you know nothing about obama's legislative record, especially in illinois senate. 

but know why he really qualified?  he actually get few things need to be got.  with rare exceptiopns, obama talk us as though we not idiots who need be fed bull.  funny how mccain not know how give speech like that.

and he ging be next president, baby, so deal with it.

I was being sarcastic "baby." Being a Constitutional law professor can show respect for the Constitution. However, most con law professors I know have their own views about the Constitution, and those don't always add up to what the actual substantive law of the Constitution is.

And yes, I know what a community organizer is. And it hardly has anything to do with caring about the "understanding of the dynamics of most american's lives." It has more to do about getting people to vote for your party or a union than anything else.

And yes, I have actually read up on Obama's Illinois legislative record. You do know that the man has one of the highest records of "present" on the controversial issues during his time in the legislature right?  

You think Obama doesn't feed people bull$hit? Ha! I suggest you really listen to his speeches. Its pretty much all form and no substance.

And what is Obama's record about "getting things done?" Or as you so eloquently put it "get things need to be got?" Not much of one at all. He's been part of the least effective Senate in history. He has no record whatsoever of reaching across party lines. (whereas McCain has a long record of that) But then again, Obama would actually have to case vote on bills in order to reach across party lines. Brilliant strategy by the way. If you never give a definite yes or no about anything, then no one can call you out, and then you can post mortum read the polls about how you should feel on an issue.

Your blind following of Obama speaks volumes about you and your priorities. Still bitter about the defeat of the "Great" Al Gore? (and really, did you want him to be President? That's like a republican saying that Dan Quayl would have been a great President.  ::))

Come back and talk to me when you can form a sentence correctly, or at the very least, have a real conversation that is filled with some depth.

In any event, I've wasted enough time today. I have to study for the bar. By the way? Shouldn't you be doing the same? I mean you've been on this board for over four years now. Shouldn't you have graduated by now?

Oh wait...you actually have to have went to law school for that to happen. Not just spend all day on a discussion board speaking incoherently about crap you have no idea about.  :-*

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No one has ever said Obama is the perfect candidate. He is a politican, after all, he is bound to be a little shady. I don't vote for him because he is flawless, I vote for him because his flaws are a much smaller problem, in my eyes, than the problems that will come with Mccain, who is somehow glorified as a war hero despite getting numerous men killed. On that note, I would like to ask this- to be a hero from a war, I feel like you need to actually do something heroic, not fail miserably, get people killed, and get yourself captured. Is mccain brave? Unquestionably, yes. Is he a war hero? Unquestionably, no.


more to point:  how do great grandpa mccain's war experience supposedly prepare him for presidency?

one would hope that at least he know suffering of soldiers, but that not reflected in either enthusiasm for war in general or support for better treatment of soldiers.

And how does Obama's non-experience in anything prepare him for the Presidency? He was elected in 2004 to the Senate, but since then, he's spent the majority of his time being a "rock star" and declining to vote on many issues on the Senate floor.

Maybe his days as a Constitutional Law professor prepares him to lead troops and the country? Maybe his days as a "community organizer?" (BTW, what kinda bs job is that anyway?) Maybe his days in the Illinois legislature? (not voting on the tough issues by the way)

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that Obama has more actual experience with anything related to running this country than McCain does. All Obama has going for him is some good speech writers and good speech coaches. (the guy reminds me of a bad preacher)

Oh, and Obama has NO military experience whatsoever. I know his type. He'd scoff at serving in the Military, while at the same time ridiculing military people behind closed doors.  As a former Marine, I'll take McCain any day of the week. I know he's a patriot. And I'm not so certain about Obama. I think Obama's a patriot to the polls, not to the United States.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Florida State or Stetson?
« on: July 03, 2008, 12:03:31 PM »
I guess my work here is already done. ;)

Stetson actually isn't a bad school if you're looking to stay in Florida and especially in Tampa. After Florida, Florida State, and Miami, it's the next best school in Florida and after Stetson, you see a rapid drop in the quality of the remaining Florida schools.

Of course, FSU is better and you're making the right decision by going there, but Stetson is a legitimate school in Florida.

On that legislation, I know that the idea has been getting kicked around for a few years without getting implemented. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I hope you're not referring to Coastal?!

Pretty much all remaining schools, actually. I think the ordering of Florida law schools goes something like this:

Florida, Florida State, Miami
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Stetson
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Florida International
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Nova
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Barry, Florida A&M, Florida Coastal, St. Thomas

The list is good, but I'd flip-flop Nova over Florida International. FIU has a horrible job placement rate, and they just don't have the type of connections with Alumni that Nova does. 10 years from now FIU may be ahead of Nova, but for now, they just flat out suck.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« on: July 01, 2008, 11:46:52 AM »

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy.

You retard, I just had something expunged in Illinois and it took all of about 30 seconds for a judge to the sign the order, the order to be sent off to the state police, local police and city attorney. You are such a fricken joke. Stop giving advice you retard. I didn't even have to supply background information or tell the Judge why I wanted the expungment. I am seriously laughing at you right now. You are an idiot.

You're the idiot. If your dumba$$ would have looked at the links I posted you would have seen that you can't get a pot possession record expunged in Illinois until 5 years after you get off of supervision.

You're the joke. I'm sorry you want to be right about everything, but you're too big of an idiot to see that you're wrong.

So are you trying to say that the OP won't have a more difficult time? You're a tool. Anytime you have anything on your record they look at it more harshly. Just because its "not a big deal" in Michigan doesn't mean it won't be in some jurisdictions. Once again, READ MY POST. I said the OP would have a more difficult time. I didn't say it was impossible to be admitted.

God you're an idiot.

And again, I'm not a 1L you f*cking retard. I just graduated and I'm studying for the bar. Once again READ before you spout off.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« on: June 30, 2008, 01:25:32 PM »
*DISCLAIMER: Nothing below should be taken as professional legal advice*

Marijuana misdemeanor is no biggie. I know plenty of lawyers with 'em. Hell, I know a guy who got 2 DUIs while IN law school and was still admitted and another guy who had a felony arrest for cocaine (guilty plea but no conviction b/c of first time user statute) 2 years before he started law school and managed to get admitted to one of the most conservative bars in the country.

Its not going to look good of course, and nobody can promise that you won't have a problem being admitted, but if you don't @#!* up again and make sure that you take some positive steps in your life that you can point to in arguing that you have matured, than you should be fine.

I wouldn't worry about admissions. I find it hard to believe that any school (besides maybe Regent, Liberty, Ave Maria, and other schools that you should stay away from like the plague anyway) would deny you admission because of a marijuana misdemeanor. In any case, your real concern should be the bar because your JD isn't going to mean male private part if you can't get licensed.

Also, Budlaw is right that you have to disclose expunged records to the Board of Bar Examiners, but the other poster was wisely recommending expungement as a way to show that you have put the whole thing behind you, not as a way to hide what happened from the Board.

You're right. All I was saying was that an expungement wouldn't matter if you were trying to hide your conviction. It is a positive step. "Dontquestionme" took it to be a personal attack, and then tried to tell me I don't know crap about the issue.  Its not an easy thing that the OP faces. I was trying to be realistic. If d-bag "dontquestionme" would have read what I actually said he would have saw that I said it would be possible, but the OP faced some challenges.

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy. It will be 5 years from this August (once he gets off supervision) before the OP can even think about getting his record expunged. AND only if he doesn't have any other convictions. Here's a couple of helpful links:

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/brochures/expunge0204h.pdf

http://www.odos.uiuc.edu/sls/forms%5CInformationOnExpungementAndSealingRecords.pdf

Who doesn't know what they're talking about now "dontquestionme?" Not so simple a process as you think huh? But you would have knew this if you would have researched the matter instead of spouting off like a petulant child.

So f*ck off d-bag.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« on: June 30, 2008, 12:02:35 PM »
Only advice I would give, on top of what has already been given in this thread, is to get your record expunged. If the convictions occurred in Illinois, it is a very fairly simple process. Good luck.

Record expungement doesn't matter for the Board of Bar Examiners. You still have to tell them about it.

Honestly, since these were so recent, you may have some trouble. Some schools won't touch you. Its really the pot charge that is the hang up. The MIP isn't a big deal at all. You do know that you also may be inelligible for government loans because of the pot charge right?

Some State Bars may not certify you either. (i.e. Florida)

You are 100% wrong with everything you said.

1) You get an expungment to show you have moved past the issue, grown up and taken steps to rectify the mistake.

2) A pot charge does not mean *&^%. If it is not a felony, he will not only get into law school, but he will pass the bar.

3) Don't give advice if you are clueless.

You aren't even a 1L, I can tell by your responses, yet you are giving advice about what is a concern and what is not a concern with the bar. Attorneys won't even give the kind of advice you are, unless they are character and fitness examiners.

Actually I'm a hundred percent RIGHT about what I said. An expungement DOES NOT matter for the character and fitness examiners on the bar. You still have to tell them about your past criminal record.

He may pass the character and fitness exam, but then again, he may not. And he will definately have a harder time. And NO, some schools won't touch him simply because of this issue. Adcoms don't matter at this point anyway. When you have a drug charge, its the BAR you should be worried about.

And I'm a recent grad who RECENTLY WENT THROUGH THIS ENTIRE CHARACTER AND FITNESS PROCESS. So I do have a clue about what I'm talking about. I suggest you actually research an issue before YOU talk about it. God you're such a D-bag.

If it makes you feel any better, consider that most of the addcoms have probably broken marijuana and alcohol laws when they were younger (if they're not still doing it, as many professional people do) they just didn't get caught.  Its not like theft or assault or heroin trafficing or any sort of crime that anyone but a conservative takes very seriously and most admissions people are not conservatives. 


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You need to do some community work. Maybe tell kids about the dangers of drug use.

There aren't any substantial dangers from pot use...

...except getting arrested for engaging in a totally victimless activity...

How did you (the OP) manage to do that anyways?


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I'm being perfectly serious here. This is much more different than if you would have had these charges at 16. I recommend calling the State Board of Bar examiners in the jurisdiction in which you want to ultimately practice and see what they think off the top of their head.

Oh come on, using marijuana more than three years before JD graduation wont disqualify someone from working in the FBI let alone a state bar. 

We're not talking about marijuana USE here. This isn't some esoteric debate about "is it really harmful" we're talking about a marijuana conviction. Two totally different things when it comes to bar admissions. He WILL have an uphill battle. I don't care how you try to frame it. Its not going to be as simple as just filling out a bar application. He'll have to do some extra things. AND some states WILL NOT admit him since it was so recent.

I'm just trying to offer some realistic advice here. I'm sorry if some of your OPINONS were hurt by FACT. I think the OP wanted some real analysis, not some candy sugar coated bull that you see everywhere on this useless board.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« on: June 29, 2008, 04:16:44 PM »
Only advice I would give, on top of what has already been given in this thread, is to get your record expunged. If the convictions occurred in Illinois, it is a very fairly simple process. Good luck.

Record expungement doesn't matter for the Board of Bar Examiners. You still have to tell them about it.

Honestly, since these were so recent, you may have some trouble. Some schools won't touch you. Its really the pot charge that is the hang up. The MIP isn't a big deal at all. You do know that you also may be inelligible for government loans because of the pot charge right?

Some State Bars may not certify you either. (i.e. Florida) You're going to have to take some real affirmative steps becuase of the pot charge to show that you're a good guy for the bar. You need to do some community work. Maybe tell kids about the dangers of drug use. Also, be prepared to have to explain your past and current drug and alcohol use to the board of bar examiners. (which you should tell them is zero) The most important thing here is to make sure that you stay clean of anything from here on out. You're facing an uphill battle.

I'm being perfectly serious here. This is much more different than if you would have had these charges at 16. I recommend calling the State Board of Bar examiners in the jurisdiction in which you want to ultimately practice and see what they think off the top of their head.

Good luck.

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General Board / Recent Grads: Got a job yet?
« on: June 29, 2008, 04:06:20 PM »
Just wondering how many recent grads have a job?

If you do, is it with a firm that you summered at the year before(or are you clerking now?), and also what town is it in? (if you're uncomfortable naming the town, then just put the general area of the country, i.e. South or Northeast)

Also, if you don't have a job yet, would you mind telling us if you've really been looking so far, or are you just going to wait it out until after the bar exam to really try to find one?

I'll start it out:

I've got a job in Atlanta, but its with a different firm than where I summered last year.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: FSU or Stetson
« on: June 24, 2008, 06:33:25 PM »
i completely agree i clerked for a really big firm in downtown tampa my 1L summer and an attorney had another guy that interned who was middle of the pack at FSU who was about to graduate and could not find a job at all in tampa clerking at all. if you think you'll be middle of the road and don't know where you want to work then i would probably say FSU just for the ranking. however, if you want to do litigation i would say go to stetson.  i've discussed this with many attorneys in florida and most have told me that they think stetson students are more well prepared to be litigators right out of school over other schools because stetson concentrates on so much. besides the skills classes though stetson has no advantage over FSU. whenever i meet a lawyer who doesn't know anything about stetson i just throw out the number 1 in trial ad, which usually impresses them a little bit.

They do have a good trial advocacy program that's for sure.  ;)


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: FSU or Stetson
« on: June 24, 2008, 05:41:32 PM »
it doesn't really matter where you go if you're top at your class then you'll get a job whereever you want most likely.  i attend stetson and am working in birmingham, al for the summer.  and i can tell you right now every law firm i've talked with knows all about stetson about the great attorneys they put out and its reputation.  if you meet a firm that knows nothing about either school and just looks at rankings then FSU wins out. firms with experience with grads from both schools isn't going to give preference over one there going to look at what you can do and the impression you make.

people put WAY too much stock into what school you go to.  yes if you go to UF and your compared to someone at Nova then UF wins all day once you start getting to the top few schools in the state no school is inherently better than other.  i know firms in tampa that went the hiring all UF kids because they were ranked the highest and hated all of them and so decided to take some stetson and fsu kids the next summer and loved them all. where you get a job will be based on your class rank, your interviewing skills, if you're likeable, and who you know.  go where you are comfortable and you'll be fine.  no one can tell you where is best for you.  i have friends at FSU and have sit in on classes at FSU and i'm still glad i went to stetson. i've looked at the OCI at both schools and there are firms that go to FSU but not stetson and firms that go to stetson but not FSU.  just go where you want and where you're comfortable you're going to better in school if you're happy.

You're right. Go where's best for you. But you should also consider what would be best for you if you're the middle of the pack of your class. Not everyone is going to be at the top of their class. (hence it being called the "top of the class."

If you're dead set on working in Tampa/St. Pete after graduation, and you don't mind paying triple tuition, then by all means go to Stetson. It will be a lot easier to get a job as a middle of the pack student coming Stetson in Tampa than coming from FSU in Tampa. But if you're the least bit uncertain about where you want to work, then it would be best to go to FSU over Stetson.


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