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General Board / Re: good class ranking at 2nd Tier?
« on: July 10, 2008, 11:24:15 AM »
A couple of points: 

1) Most people on law review at a Tier 2 are ranked higher than top 25%.

2) Please, if you don't go to a tier 2, please don't try to comment on their job prospects. Also, don't post on them if you are going to attend a tier 2, but haven't went through OCI because you are a 0L or are a 2L who just finished their 1L year.

3) Finally, I think its pretty comical that most of the people who comment on these things attend schools which are ranked in the Tier 1 or T14. You people have no qualifications whatsoever to comment on a Tier 2 grad's starting salary. All you are doing is passing along hearsay that you either read on this board or heard about from someone else.

A tier 2 school is NOT a tier 3 or tier 4 school. In general, the job prospects from them are much better for someone who wants to go into private practice. Especially private practice in a larger city. Its the grads who go to smalltownlaw and into government work that bring down the "average" starting salary of those schools.

So much disinformation floats around on this board.  ::)

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General Board / Re: Here's the dealio
« on: July 10, 2008, 11:10:21 AM »
You jam right I'm elitist! If all the yahoos would adhere to the 4 scenarios, people with the proper legal pedigree like myself wouldnt have to compete with a bunch of johnny-come-latelys.

Ha ha. Proper legal pediree? I'm sorry, exactly when did you graduate law school? And from where did you graduate law school?  :D



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« on: July 09, 2008, 07:15:14 PM »

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy.

You retard, I just had something expunged in Illinois and it took all of about 30 seconds for a judge to the sign the order, the order to be sent off to the state police, local police and city attorney. You are such a fricken joke. Stop giving advice you retard. I didn't even have to supply background information or tell the Judge why I wanted the expungment. I am seriously laughing at you right now. You are an idiot.

You're the idiot. If your dumba$$ would have looked at the links I posted you would have seen that you can't get a pot possession record expunged in Illinois until 5 years after you get off of supervision.

You're the joke. I'm sorry you want to be right about everything, but you're too big of an idiot to see that you're wrong.

So are you trying to say that the OP won't have a more difficult time? You're a tool. Anytime you have anything on your record they look at it more harshly. Just because its "not a big deal" in Michigan doesn't mean it won't be in some jurisdictions. Once again, READ MY POST. I said the OP would have a more difficult time. I didn't say it was impossible to be admitted.

God you're an idiot.

And again, I'm not a 1L you f*cking retard. I just graduated and I'm studying for the bar. Once again READ before you spout off.

Had you graduated from anything you would not be engaging in this argument. You have been proven wrong time and again. So, I am calling you out as a liar.  ;D


It's hard to be wrong when I'm basing my arguments on factual information that is readily available and in print form.  ;D

In any event, it was a waste of my time to even try to argue facts and logic with someone like yourself. Hence, my not responding to your post until now.

Enjoy your life of being a complete tool.  :-*

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General Board / Re: Here's the dealio
« on: July 07, 2008, 10:03:40 PM »
I shall.  #3 for myself, though I dont start law school until this fall at a T50.  My older brother and a cousin did a T14, however,along with older family members, so I know a little about that.


So let me get this right.

First of all, you come out and offer unsolicited advice, and then you set up some type of ridiculous criteria for your unsolicited advice.

Next, when asked to explain how you came to these conclusions, you state that you haven't been to lawschool, but your jailed buisness partner's step-cousin's retarded half-brother went to a T14 so you are now an expert on the matter.

Oh and you heard some things by likely flame posts on JDUnderground?

So now you're an expert on the matter?

Just checking.  ::)

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General Board / Re: Here's the dealio
« on: July 07, 2008, 09:58:37 PM »
Or, how about #5: you want to be an attorney. People on this board talk about law school like the only reason to go into it is for the money. Some people just want to be lawyers.

This is SOOO credited.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TimMitchell
« on: July 05, 2008, 03:59:23 PM »
Apparently so. I only got a 160 and recently graduated from FSU Law and could only land a job that pays six figures. I guess If I would have made a 170 or higher I could have started out making 7 figures.

Oh well that's life I guess. I'm bound to be a failure in law because I dind't live up to some ridiculous standard set by imiaginary people on LSD  :'(

Oooh, I know the answer to this "flaw" LR question...

D. BudLaw makes a generalization on the basis of a small, anecdotal, sample that may not be representative of the broader population.


You do know that the majority of lawyers do not go to HYS right? And yet, the majority of lawyers still tend to make a fairly decent living.

By all means, do go to HYS if you can. They are all awesome schools. (really awesome schools) So are the rest of the top 20 or so. But if you can't go to them, and have to go to another school, then don't be bummed out about it. (too much)

Now whether or not one should go to a T3 or T4? That's a whole other story. But in general, just because one fails to make a 170 or higher on the LSAT doesn't mean that they are doomed to suck at law and life.

To Goya: (nice name by the way)

I ended up around the top 10 percent of my class. Not quite in it, but not far out of it. I'm not going to out the name of my firm, but its one of the national Labor & Employment boutiques. (there's about 5 or 6 of them) Its in Atlanta.

I landed a summer associate position at one of their competitors through OCI for my 2L summer. (I received an offer of a permanent position with my summer firm, but I ultimately went with of the other firm) I then kinda parlayed that position into an Associate position with this firm. So it wasn't technically through networking or through OCI, but it was sorta through OCI.

And just again, my point was that you shouldn't act like a 165 is a bad score. Most people don't make this score (it is in the 93rd percentile for a reason), and yet most attorney's do just fine.

I think a lot of people on LSD forget these matters because LSD is "small, ancedotal, sample" (as HYSHopeful puts it) of the larger applicant pool to lawschool, and lawyers in general. People with higher scores tend to post on this board than people with lower scores. But if one keeps everything in perspective, a 165 is a VERY good score.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TimMitchell
« on: July 05, 2008, 03:34:59 PM »
I know. I always enjoy Tim's posts and find him quite helpful. I felt bad for him since I'm sure he's capable of doing better. Ah well. I think he said he was going out drinking around 4 PM....(and yes, that makes me freaky for remembering this stuff and then mentioning it offhand like I know him).

Since when is a 165 a bad score? Doesn't that place someone in the 93rd percentile. Sure it won't get you into Yale, but it will get you into most schools.  ::)

You have much to learn about the ways of LSD, young butterfly.

Apparently so. I only got a 160 and recently graduated from FSU Law and could only land a job that pays six figures. I guess If I would have made a 170 or higher I could have started out making 7 figures.

Oh well that's life I guess. I'm bound to be a failure in law because I dind't live up to some ridiculous standard set by imiaginary people on LSD  :'(

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: TimMitchell
« on: July 05, 2008, 03:18:38 PM »
I know. I always enjoy Tim's posts and find him quite helpful. I felt bad for him since I'm sure he's capable of doing better. Ah well. I think he said he was going out drinking around 4 PM....(and yes, that makes me freaky for remembering this stuff and then mentioning it offhand like I know him).

Since when is a 165 a bad score? Doesn't that place someone in the 93rd percentile. Sure it won't get you into Yale, but it will get you into most schools.  ::)

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Experience means squat - no one has experience being the President other than the former Presidents

and Hillary Clinton

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Patriotism is the last refuge of despots - it just distracts you from the issues.

Then why are democrats so afraid of anyone questioning their patriotism?

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Oh, so wearing a pin means you are better suited to run a country?

Apparently since Obama started wearing his again.

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Also, the republican party is estopped from trying to bolster its candidate with his military experience after they used Kerry's service to his own detriment against Bush who never served a day in his life and Cheney who had umpteen deferments.

And the democrats are estopped from trying to criticize an opponent for not having any military service... and the beat goes on.

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Obama is less like Bush than McCain and is the better candidate on that basis alone.

Obama '08
I'm not Bush

PS. McCain sucks just as bad.  Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?

Hillary has experience being first lady - good for her

No one is afraid of being questioned on their patriotism any more than they are afraid of being questioned about their height. but my point is dude, that patriotism is so far off the mark that it only serves as a distraction.  Who cares if you wear a pin!

I dont think anyone should care about military service unless it was at the highest levels and wasnt completely bungled

And if you are less like Bush than McCain, then you are a better candidate too



A couple of points, and then I really have to get back to work:

1) When you are commander-in-chief, Military service does matter. A lot different than being a corporate CEO.

2) Getting shot down over Vietnam doesn't mean your service was bungled. By that standard, any soldier or Marine who is killed totally bungled his service regardless of whether or not he was Dan Daily to start out with. (Dan Daily is one of the highest decorated Marines ever - google him)

3) You're sorta right about wearing a flag pin as not mattering whether or not you are a patriot. (I think its a rather ridiculous measure of patriotism)However, don't act like its not a big deal, and then turn around and wear one once the polls tell you that you should. And if people questioning your Patriotism isn't a big deal, then why make a big speech about how you can still be a patriot and not have served in the Military? (like Obama just did the other day)

4) I don't necessarily think that McCain is the best possible candidate for President. But, I think he does have the necessary experience, and I do think that he really has this country's best interest at heart. And he's not Bush either. He's not McSame or McBush like the crazy lefty's like to say. (Oh and Bush was a fighter pilot in the National Gaurd - kinda like being the "manager" of a football team - but he did know something about the military - which Obama knows absolutely zilch)

5) I started out as a Republican, but over the years, I've become more and more a Libertarian. And Obama is about as far away from a libertarian as you can get. I don't see the point in the government interfering in my life by telling me what I can and cannot do if the Constitution doesn't give them that authority or its not been a power they've had since the founding. Which also means that I don't want regulations on me, and I certainly don't want to pay taxes so other people can just slide by in life. I also believe in a free market. So no thank you Mr. Obama and your unions, and your higher taxes, and your "universal healthcare." Stay out of my life. Don't tell me what I can and can't do with my money, and don't try to restrict any of the liberties granted by the Constitution. (and I mean granted specifically - so don't legalize things that have never been legal too: aka Gay Marriage)

6) I refuse to vote for a Libertarian candidate again, so McCain it is.

7) And Julie, I really hope you can enlighten me on how I "know nothing."

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Florida State or Stetson?
« on: July 03, 2008, 03:52:33 PM »
Thanks for the help guys.  It looks like it's going to be FSU after much advise and research.  The tuition for out-of-state students at FSU is practically equal to the tuition at Stetson.  I realize it's possible, right now at least, to declare residency during your first-year and receive in-state tuition for years 2 and 3.  However, there is proposed legislation in the State of FL that will possibly prevent students from being able to do just that in the near future; and with my luck, if I count on receiving in-state tuition for years 2 and 3 that legislation will pass.  Thanks and GOOD LUCK!!!

It is very hard to establish residency for in-state tuition purposes.  You'll get the run-around a lot - even without said legislation in place.

Maybe for undergrad. Not for lawschool. I had no problem changing my residency at FSU law for instate. Just make sure you get a Florida license before you start school, and register to vote. Fairly simple process because you register to vote when you get your license at the DMV. Fill out some stupid forms from financial aid, and that's it.

No run around whatsoever at FSU.

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