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General Board / Re: Law degree and business?
« on: September 02, 2005, 05:32:19 PM »
Many lawyers do not practice law, they work as consultants to law firms, or even as firms' in-house chief technology or chief information officers; or they can be business executives or government officials. The majority of lawyers, in fact, do not appear in court at all.

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General Board / Re: Psychopath attorneys
« on: September 02, 2005, 05:03:14 PM »
Many attorneys suffer from NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder).

Narcissism, in human psychology is the pattern of thinking and behaving which involves infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of others. It may be seen manifest in the chronic pursuit of personal gratification and public attention, in social dominance and personal ambition, braggadocio, insensitivity to others (lack of empathy) and/or excessive dependence on others to meet his/her responsibilities in daily living and thinking.

The narcissist has an unhealthily high self-esteem. For the narcissist, self-worth is the belief that he/she is superior to his/her fellow humans; it is not enough to be "okay" or "pretty good," the narcissist can only feel worthwhile by experiencing him/herself as the "best". From childhood through adulthood, this narcissistic belief may be reinforced by others to the extent that the narcissist is actually competent, intelligent and/or attractive, or is manipulative enough to get others to make him/her seem competent, intelligent or attractive.

The narcissist most often comes to the attention of the mental health profession when, beset by some personal failure or having otherwise become aware of his/her lack of superiority, he/she falls into an acute depressive or anxiety state, or even becomes temporarily psychotic. Unfortunately, the emergence of such states has often been misinterpreted by mental health professionals as a sign that the narcissist fundamentally suffers from low self esteem. As a result, psychotherapy often ends up simply restoring the narcissism rather than helping the patient accept his/her true equality and mortality.

Conversely, narcissists who are repeatedly confronted with their own human limitations - often due to a lack of skills, intelligence, looks or social support necessary to maintain external reinforcement of their ultimate superiority - may become frustrated, angry and even dangerously aggressive. At this point, the narcissistic may evolve into a sociopath.

The term narcissism was first used in relation to human psychology by Sigmund Freud after the figure of Narcissus in Greek mythology (right). Narcissus was a handsome Greek youth who rejected the desperate advances of the nymph Echo. As a punishment, he was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water. Unable to consummate his love, Narcissus pined away and changed into the flower that bears his name, the narcissus.



A narcissistic personality disorder as defined by the DSM (see DSM cautionary statement) is characterized by an all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria are considered necessary for the clinical diagnosis to be met:

- Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);
- Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
- Firmly convinced that they are unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
- Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply);
- Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with their unreasonable expectations for special and favorable priority treatment.
- Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve their own ends;
- Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
- Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of their frustration.
- Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions stemming from a belief that others are envious of them and are likely to act similarly;
- Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people they consider inferior to themselves and unworthy.


The majority of students at my school would fit this description!

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General Board / Re: Scan/copy law books instead of lugging them to class?
« on: September 02, 2005, 05:02:00 PM »
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I agree the case book isnt really necessary to bring to class, as long as you brief the case and are good at doing it thats all you should need to answer the prof questions.

A pro of ours makes us read from the book in class ... "Ms. Johnson read problem 3 page 456 and respond to it!"

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General Board / Re: What can you do to push and motivate yourself?
« on: September 02, 2005, 05:00:28 PM »
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studying for 8-10 straight hours!

8-10 straight hours my ass!

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General Board / Re: Sage advice for soon to be 1L's
« on: September 02, 2005, 04:57:34 PM »
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When did the lightbulb turn on and did it turn on at different times for different classes?

Pretty much at the same time for all classes ...

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General Board / Re: Grading Curve Question
« on: September 02, 2005, 04:47:56 PM »
I am assuming they were utilizing masks or something else making their faces unrecognizable to the professor ...

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Transferring / Re: 27% at a 3rd tier
« on: September 02, 2005, 04:45:41 PM »
I know quite a few people at my school who are not concerned at all about class rank and the like -- they plan to transfer within the tier!

LOL I know what you mean! ;)

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: DOES THE PLS APPROACH WORK OR NOT?
« on: September 02, 2005, 04:44:17 PM »
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I just spoke to several people on Law Review at my school and they said they read and briefed EVERY case.

But you didn't really believe that, did ya fella?!

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Honestly, I tell people that if they want to make money they should go to medical or business school.  The legal profession is one of the least secure, in terms of your chances of becoming wealthy, successful, and happy.

With an MBA you can virtually suck. As for the medical school, well, it's much more work than law school and also it takes much longer to become a doctor. All in all, law school is the smartest choice!

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Am I studying enough?
« on: September 02, 2005, 04:37:00 PM »
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I'm really confused as to why you're bothering to even copy the legal lines briefs at all instead of simply bringing them to class.

At my school students try to avoid bringing Legalines and Casenotes series in class, they do not want to be seen by other students and professors using canned briefs.

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