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Online Law Schools / Re: My Savior Duckasouras
« on: February 13, 2006, 02:25:01 PM »
you must go to a really crappy law school bc although I agree there are some peeps who talk forever wo knowing what they are saying or what a case is about, in class participation is still very important.  I am guessing from your posts your at a tier 4 or online school and although alot of time in class may be wasted its still much better than a fake law degree online.

actually, it is a T3 school Duckasoreass...maybe that makes it better than some options, maybe that makes it worse than other options...I guess it comes down to the individual reasons that all of us have for going...

You might be happy to know that we do have a few students at that school who are just as bitter about life as you are though...

But really duck, why are you the self-appointed savior of all those who might choose a different option than you chose?

We all have misgivings about other options. I could have gone to a tier 1 school, but in this state the difference in job opportunities did not justify the extra 100K I would have had to borrow...does that mean it is wrong for others to go that path...of course not. Some want to pay the extra money for the "prestige" of that name. Others might discount my decision, but at my age I didn't want to take a 30K risk as to how good my 1L grades would be. Turns out they may be good enough to get me into a T14 school...or I may still decide that I don't want the debt. Either way there are +s and -s.

Same with DL - there are pros and cons...but once someone weighs those, and chooses DL for themself, why do you feel the need to harass them over the decision? It is one thing to help inform people as to the negatives of DL, it is another thing entirely to demean their decisions to go that route...

As long as you maintain doing the latter, your views will continue to have the same credibility lack of credibility that they do now...

Online Law Schools / Who is duckasoreass?
« on: February 12, 2006, 08:34:57 PM »
I'm new around this board so maybe it has already been discussed...but I'm thinking only a bottom of the class in a T4 school would go to this much trouble to try and feel superior to someone else...

Either that or maybe he's just a bottom T4 dean of admissions who recognizes that one day his school may be ranked behind DL schools...

Online Law Schools / Re: My Savior Duckasouras
« on: February 11, 2006, 07:02:17 AM »
anyone who believes that you cannot get as good of an education online vs. in either deceived, or simply hasn't attended law school yet.

Sitting in class does nothing to teach you law...especially when you are having to listen to those in class, who spent less time reading than you did, fumbling around trying not to look stupid. Then there are those who just don't get the law but don't realize they are always volunteering in class when in fact they have nothing to offer.
In fairness there are days when the teacher may explain a particularly thorny issue (such as the Erie Doctrine) but then anyone who didn't understand that via the case law could have read the same explaination in the E&E.
Whether or not employers are ready to recognize Distance Learning is a different issue, but really, the least effective portion of my law education occurs in class...

Transferring / Re: Letter of Rec
« on: February 09, 2006, 03:10:01 PM »
Please weigh in on your opinion of which prof would be better suited to give a good recco for a transfer

In Civ Pro, I got an A- (the second highest grade in the class) but the prof barely, if at all, knows anything about me.  Conversely, in LRW I got a C+ (curve set at C+) but the prof. knows me really well.

I'm thinking the Civ Pro would be better, although I'm not sure how specific she could/would be about me.  Could this hurt?  What do YOU think?

I would only include one from the LRW prof if you will be indicating a specific reason for transferring that they can verify...because earning another school would probably discount a academic reference where your grade was a C+. (ex - your LRW prof practiced Health Law prior to teaching, and once you found that out, you have had several discussions over the semester about "Health Law" and whether or not another school would serve to prepare you better for such a career path, and he/she recommended Law School X)

Transferring / Re: trasferring from a T4 to a T1?
« on: February 03, 2006, 12:13:03 PM »
I am currently at Cooley (a T4).  I have an LSAT of 151 and an UGPA of 3.3.  I'm also a Military Intelligence officer in the Army if that helps out(?).  I finished my first semester w/ a 3.9 gpa.

Are you pulling our legs here? 3.3 undergrad GPA and 3.9 GPA in law school?

my GPA has gone up a full point (as in 1.0) from my UGPA...there are lots of reasons for poor grades in UG...

Transferring / Re: Transfer Advice
« on: January 30, 2006, 02:42:11 PM »
Where in texas do you want to makes a big differnce...

I would think that your class rank and LSAT would get you into Tech without any problem at all...and it is a solid school...if you do that well there (top 10-15%) you can still get a very high paying job...

I think UofH is a good possibility as well, and your odds of landing a high paying job are better (because of the Houston market), but it depends on if you would be happy there...same for S.Texas

Honestly I think UT may be a reach...your class rank gives you a leg up on the competititon, but there 25/75 LSAT split is around 162/166...

Overall because of cost I'd say that Tech and UofH are your best bets...

Transferring / Re: T4 to T1??
« on: January 30, 2006, 08:10:46 AM »
That has to be the most baseless post I've seen on here for a while.

it is also a repost...i've read the exact thing around here before...

Transferring / Re: transfer and joint degree
« on: January 29, 2006, 04:38:37 PM »
I haven't seen a clear "yes" or "no" on the websites...but many say that you can enter the MA portion in the fall of your second it seems possible...

Current Law Students / Re: Serious Responses Only Please
« on: January 28, 2006, 10:01:02 AM »
to the guy who said he had his ass handed to him in mock trial - what exactly does this mean? For whatever inexplicable reason I signed up for mock trial as a 1L and the competition is in 2 or so weeks. Can you please shine some light on what it is that I have gotten myself into? I thouhgt that I only had to give an opening statement, do direct and cross examinatin of witnesses, and that was it - how does one's ass get handed to him during this process? The other side was that good?

The 2 problems I had with the competition:
1) Either - our 1st round opponents had some kind of extra coaching going into the competition. When you start going over the Federal Rules of Evidence you will find simple definitions of "relevance" or "hearsay"...but not a ton of material discussing how those apply. They had specific objections to certain evidence that you would not be able to infer from the rules I'm pretty sure that an upper level student had gone over the problem with them and helped them plan their objections - if not, then they were just Uber-prepared...
2) or our 1st night judge sustained every objection (right or wrong) if the other side didn't know how to respond to it properly...that is kind of frustrating when the other side is making bad objections...

I'm not sure which it was, but the other side made objections, that were sustained by the judge, and then that night I looked over the FRE again and found nothing that would explain why their objection worked...then in the next round we used the same objection and it was overruled...

You will find a lot of that though - each rounds judging varies as they are just 2 and 3L students who for the most part have had 1 course in everyone's opinion on what is valid is different...

2nd and 3rd rounds were much more even and fun...but the inconsistancies were still there...

Current Law Students / Re: Serious Responses Only Please
« on: January 26, 2006, 12:26:39 PM »
Hey Everyone--I need a little pep talk or something.  I am starting to feel really down about law school.  I cannot motivate myself to work.  I can't stand most of the people in school with me, with the exception of a few I like.  I don't find any joy in any of the work or in any topics we discuss.  I always thought I wanted to be an attorney, and I always heard it was boring and actually took me going to law school and getting in debt to believe the rumors though.  The atmosphere does not even seem academic--it just seems like work.  Unfortunately, I majored in public administration and philosophy for undergrad so I would not have any luck finding a job if I were to leave school.  Should I try to tranfer schools? What would my chances be? My gpa is only a 3.007.  I turned down georgia state last year for a tier you think they would even accept me again? Or do you think tranferring is even the solution to my problems...Help!

Hey AC (say hi to DAX for me...)

Monday I got my arse handed to me in mock trial, and all the sudden I didn't want to be in law school any more...didn't want to be a lawyer anymore...etc. That experience just wasn't fun and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Later I realized that it was just that...a bad experience that is not an accurate reflection of what I will be doing as a lawyer...I think the same can be said for law school in general...our 2L's talk about their summers, and it seems that the most relevant class they took was Legal Practice (Research and Writing at some schools). Everything else in 1L is just foundational to under Law in general.

I think upper division courses will give you (and the rest of us) a better feel for what area we will enjoy practicing in after graduation.

Plus - it can be discouraging to think that we still have 2.5 years of work ahead of us...but trust me (I'm in my mid 30's now) - that 2.5 years will seem like a really short period of time when you are looking back at it. And when you have that perspective of being past the education part of it, you will also be in the position to reap the benefits...So stick with it AC, it will all be worth it in the end!!!!!!!!!

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