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Current Law Students / Re: please advice on study technique
« on: August 21, 2005, 07:45:49 AM »
Here's what I have concluded is the best way for me to study, it may work for you as well:

1. Read the assignments prior to class, read the cases and think about the ISSUE and RULES of law applied to the issue.

2. Do NOT brief the cases, they take way way to long I average about 20 minutes per brief and if you are asked to brief 10 cases for class that 200 minutes a little over 3 hours. When in actuallity you just want to spot the legal issue and rule of law applied, you should be able to come up with that by simply reading them and noting the Issue and rule of law in your outline, just used canned briefs you can find on the internet if you're called on in class to go through the details of the case.

3.  Spend the majority of your time with reading the E&E aspen series relevant to your course, outline the issues and Rules of Law, take practice exams.

This should work for a majority of students it may not in your case.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L workload
« on: August 20, 2005, 10:03:37 AM »
You can find a way to finish all of the work and understand it at the level you are supposed to.


This point is of paramount importance, i realized it the day after i made my original post.

The level you are supposed to understand the work is minute in comparason to the way I was thinking.  Which was almost based on a mind set that I was going to argue in court next week rather then 3 years from now if not longer depending on my first job.

Thanks for the input, you all are exactly right, you dont need to be an expert after the first week, or the first year for that matter.


Current Law Students / Re: 1L workload
« on: August 20, 2005, 09:59:02 AM »
dkast:  It's August 19th and you're overwhelmed already?  Are you even out of orientation yet?  Re-read Slaker's post - he nailed it. 

I'm not overwhelmed, I just find it better to think about the material and the cases in more ways then just briefing and learing the material i,e., thinking of allternative arguments that could be made by either appellee's or appellant's councel and hypothetical situations with co-plaintiffs or co-defendants and how that would effect the case.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L workload
« on: August 18, 2005, 11:37:46 PM »
You sound like a f**cking gunner.  Lighten up a little and stop being such a feminine hygiene product.  No one cares how long you studied today.  Ultimately law school takes up as much time as you let it.  10 hours is almost certainly counterproductive.

Thanks for the input, unlike yourself, i'm serious about law school and not a frat boy who still uses the word feminine hygiene product.

Good luck

Current Law Students / 1L workload
« on: August 18, 2005, 08:12:55 PM »

Iíve been reading, analyzing and studying for about 10 hours today.

I've come to a point in which I find myself asking the question:

"Do they (meaning the university/professors) want us to actually learn the law and how to analyze fact situations and think, or simple breeze through the material so we can say we have done our assignment in which case you learn nothing?"

I like to take time and think about what I am reading, how it relates to the big picture, including an in depth analysis of how the court arrived at its conclusion based on applying rules of law to fact situations.  Also thinking of arguments that could be made by both appelle's and appellant's counsel.  Unfortunately, with the workload given at my university this is not really possible.

I'm going to continue to utilize this method even if its the case that i dont get the full assignment done. F THEM.  My goal is learning analysis and legal methods, thinking.  Not just blazing through it like the germans through poland in 1939.

1Ls or 2Ls please provide input and let me know if you are or have experienced similar thoughts.

Thank you.

Current Law Students / Re: orientation questions
« on: August 18, 2005, 05:43:07 PM »
it doesnt matter what you wear at all.  I've notices alot of people in my school are wearing suits.  I wore a suit for 3 years and only wear one if I am getting paid to wear one. You'll have plenty of time to wear suits once you become an attorney.  For the time being wear what you want.  It doesnt matter at all.

Current Law Students / Re: Class is getting in the way of my studying.
« on: August 16, 2005, 09:02:01 PM »
If you think it's not benefiting you at all, just stop going and do all the work on your own.

I just said its getting in the way of studying, nothing about lack of benefits, though they are minute when compared to the big picture.

Thanks for the input.

Current Law Students / Re: How necessary is a laptop?
« on: August 16, 2005, 12:00:25 PM »
I came to the conclusion that laptops are important solely because the professor wont be able to see what you are working on. 

If you've read any black letter law outlines or taken notes on the E&E series primers you can go over them while in class and maybe apply whatever you may have missed in the brief of a case to that.

Obviously if you're classes allow you to take exams on computers and are a fast typer then they are helpful.

Current Law Students / Class is getting in the way of my studying.
« on: August 16, 2005, 11:52:24 AM »
Anyone share this sentiment.

I was in class today and a student was asked to recite the facts of a case. After every fact she would state "and I believe that this is wrong, i think that blah blah blah.  I'm glad the professor eventually stopped her and told her just to answer his question. 

Anyway, while i was sitting there listening to her go on and on about what she considers right and wrong I realized that I have so much work to do regarding learning the black letter law for torts and have to spend 3 hours tonight condensing and thinking out hypos in my primers. 

Class is really getting in the way.

I see people in my classes going nuts with note taking like they are in a lecture course.  I've taken about a 1/2 page of notes so far in the first week on some small points i missed and some legal terms my professor was emphasizing.

I think a laptop is important because the professor wont be able to discern what you're working on, what really is important, learning black letter law and analizing how the fact situations fall into those elements.

Let me know if any of you have experienced similar thoughts.

Thank you.

Most of my classmates bring two bags full of books to class every day. I can't help laughing when I see them -- I never bring the casebook in class! And the idea of scanning/copying books is really funny! LOL

I agree the case book isnt really necessary to bring to class, as long as you brief the case and are good at doing it thats all you should need to answer the prof questions.

If there is a point you may have missed just make a note and go back and look at the case again.

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