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I agree, so far it's easier than I thought.  Briefing after reading the case is down to 10-15 minutes and I'm staying ahead of the work.  My outlines are running about 10 pages each, but need to be cut down a little more.  I am amazed how many students come to class unprepared - oh well, hope they stay that way for the final.  BTW, I work FT, go to school 5 nights a week, and have a family.  Some of you need to cowboy up and stop whining.  Get your ass out of bed earlier and study more. 

Wow, you're the biggest a-hole here- and that's saying something.  Congrats- please don't raise your kids to be like you though.

There are so many other things you can do to help yourself really understand the material, as well as stuff other than reading and briefing that is either necessary or at least helpful in getting ahead:

1) Outlining (this takes a ton of time)
2) Going over your notes
3) Playing with hypos
4) Commercial outlines, E&E's, CALI lessons, etc.

Just to name a few

Have you started outlining yet??

I keep reading posts about how hard everybody thinks law school is and how much work they are doing.  So far, my experience has been very different and I am starting to think that I am missing something. The workload is by no means unbearable and even if I am unclear on something when I am reading the case, the prof always straightens it out in class.  And I really, really like all of my profs!  They break all of the concepts down so that they are very easy to understand.  And not only are they great teachers, they are also very nice people.  One prof had a keg party at his house and another one takes students out to lunch (and pays) twice a week!  Am I missing something?


Current Law Students / Re: Practice Exam - Sucked
« on: October 01, 2005, 11:26:17 AM »

Current Law Students / Re: battered 1L would like advice.
« on: September 29, 2005, 08:44:18 AM »
You simply can't be going through a 50 page outline and succeed. 
I disagree. If you have 50+ pages, you just need to know how to organize it. I had a K2 outline that was 65 pages. I could find anything I needed in that outline in less then 5 seconds. However, I could have also not used the outline for the exam. It was a safety blanket, and I also needed it for case names.

eh... rapunzel said it best... a well tabbed outline is a mighty tool.

How can you memorize anything anywhere NEAR that long for a closed book exam?

Current Law Students / Re: Practice Exam - Sucked
« on: September 29, 2005, 08:40:49 AM »
We had an in class practice exam in prop. a week ago.  We got them back today and I did very very poorly.  Let's say nearly the worst in the class.  Is it time to panic?  What do I need to do from here on out?  I'm about to stop preparing for class so much and start learning how to write exams, though I don't think writing was my problem this time.  Any help is appreciated.

We have a couple of midterms next week as well- I'm not planning to prepare much- maybe this was part of your problem?  Just curious, what grade was "nearly the worst"?

Current Law Students / Re: battered 1L would like advice.
« on: September 28, 2005, 09:15:44 AM »
If you're studying 56 hours a week on top of 16 in class, man is that a ton.  My approach has been to spend around 40 total in class and prepping- now I may get crappy grades but I'm just not willing to spend that amount of time right now. 

I agree with the people who say not to let the socratic method worry you.  I tune out IMMEDIATELY when they call on someone for at least ten minutes until it comes around to the issue.  If you're the one teaching other people in your study group, you're probably in great shape.

Hello all:

I am in the begining of my 2nd month of my 1L 1st semester. I feel lost, frightened, and rather confused at all times. I study at the library about 7 hours a night on avg, (2pm - 9 or 10) and on the weekends spend my days there. I feel as if I am not catching the socratic method and feel almost bogged down with the material as the teacher doesnt necc. say much towards it but allows people to kind of compass their way to a possible answer. I dont sleep much, my smoking habit that was all but gone has flared to a pack a day, and I barely eat. I find it difficult to concentrate and have a sinking feeling and extreme fear of failure. Being completely honest here. I read all of my stuff, stay slightly ahead, and when I study in my study group and were orally going over the material, Im quite quick and it s hows that the material is sinking in, but in class, I feel lost, and far too tempted by the internet. I tend to turn of my WLAN so that I dont have the option to surf. I have study guides and notecards that really help me understand, but once again, teh class methods just throw me off. My favorite classes are civ pro and writing, I dislike torts and contracts mostly because my teachers seem more disinterested in the subject matter than the stoner in the back row... Id greatly appreciate any advice you guys can give to help me out in getting over these rather unpleasant and foreboding feelings. I dont like it and would really like to succeed in this endeavor. Please Advise.

Current Law Students / Re: whoa who knew but law school is ....
« on: September 23, 2005, 08:52:49 AM »
Hehe, I wish I was studying in sunny California.  I go to Duquesne, a regional school in Pittsburgh.

Oh, I had you confused with someone else.  Yeah, Pitt is not my favorite town either but Duquesne is a good school... can't have it all I guess. 

Current Law Students / Re: whoa who knew but law school is ....
« on: September 22, 2005, 11:23:56 AM »
For exam prep I did read the cases for general background, making notes in the margins.  I took limited notes in class of salient points made by prof and prof's preferences (political, saterical, whatever).  Then early November I started doing practice exams.  I usually disscussed these with my study group.  he process of doing practice exams required me to find the black letter law necessary to answer the questions.  It also made me comfortable with the exam format and how to frame a concise answer.  For most classes I created very short (10-12 page) outlines -rules only.  No case names or details.  I discussed hypos from class with my study group.  For Torts I memorized the flashcard rules and did not make an outline. 

I also worked very hard in legal research and writing which is the only class where you really focus on applying the law to the facts, making an argument and anticipating defenses.  Which are the central skills you need for the exam.

Come exam time I wrote in a very focused manner, attempting to be as concise as possible.  I had my rules down cold, and I had forumalted a pretty good guess as to what would be covered by each prof by using their old exams on file.  Plus I sometimes adjusted my tone to accomodate different personalities.  Some profs want some policy, some don't.  Some want only policy they agreee with.

At midterm I had decent grades.  Several very high and several mediocre.  So I had a chance to revise my strategy for some classes.  I talked to each prof.  In each case of a lower grade it had to do with style rather than substance.  So I did my best to figure out how each prof wanted me to write.  I ended up top 5% after first year and am top 15% now as a 3L.  I think the main thing was that I knew briefing and formally outlining was not going to work for me, so I spent a good deal of time strategizing about what would work.  To know what would work I needed to know what an actual testing situation would be like, hence a great reliance on practice exams.  I think many people get caught up in so much class prep and outline preparation that they just run out of time for the practice exams.  But often the profs who had them on file didn't even change them that much from year to year.  Nothing is more fantastic than opening an exam and recognizing the fact pattern.   

Thanks a lot for the tips- what school do you attend again?  BOALT? 

Current Law Students / Re: whoa who knew but law school is ....
« on: September 21, 2005, 03:43:04 PM »
I was only working from 10am until 6 or 7 pm this time 1L.  Then again, I started book briefing right away and never looked back.  Just my advice, but it truly does not matter whether or not you are ready for class.  Pass if you want, sound like an idiot if you dare, but it's anonymous grading and it's only the exam that counts.  I have found that exam prep is a very different set of hoops to jump through than class prep.  So I put all my eggs into the exam prep basket, and I actually have time to spend outside of lawschool.
rapunzel, i'm taking that approach- I have volunteer/social activities for 3 hours a night
M-R and am not worried about being embarrassed in class... what did you do for exam prep?  we have yet to discuss ANY black letter law!

Current Law Students / Anyone go to Hastings?
« on: August 15, 2005, 11:27:34 AM »
What are the formats of your e-mail addresses?  I lost the address of a friend of mine who goes there and I can't find it on Hastings' web site at all.  Grrrrrrrr.

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