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i'm in.

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Lane-

Thanks.  I agree the faculty is top-notch.  I too am impressed with the externships and the AIR clinical program.  There are many worse places to live for 3 years. I admit for a while I was caught up in the whole ranking game (but then my less than stellar LSAT forced me to evaluate the reasons I am going to law school).  Now, my list of schools is growing as I try to find schools that are not only the right fit for me as a student but also my career goals.   I think I'll apply and then visit based on the outcome of  the application.  How harsh is the curve? If one were able to earn a scholarship, is it too presumptive to think he/she can easily earn the 3.0 necessary to keep the scholarship?   My Stats: 3.63UGPA (large state school with solid reputation, honors program phi beta kappa, and other vaious awards) 163 avg. LSAT(158 +168).

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: In need of serious advice
« on: August 31, 2005, 07:48:24 AM »
Hugh- it looks like the 160 is the exception to your lsat--your most recent practice lsat was 154?  face it the 153 is likely to be your highest score on actual test day.  someone has to score in the middle of the pack.  that's you.  accept it.  deal with it.  apply to more safeties.

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My apologies for high-jacking the thread... but Lane what do you think of Ave Maria?  Any concern that the overly Catholic affiliation will hurt job prospects?  What are your classmates like?  Facility?  anything else you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.  thanks.

I am truly amazed; it's like the school has been here for 100 years rather than 5. I can see why the accreditation process went so smoothly for them--they really have their act together. Judging from the 2L's and 3L's that I've talked to, they are having no problems finding summer employment. We had a huge number of federal clerkships. Even 1L's are able to find work after their first year, which is exceptional.

The facility is great. The library is phenomenal for a school of this size; evidently it's ranked in the mid-30s by the trade association for law school librarians. The classrooms are comfortable; there are two sections of 75, so you meet for all of your classes (except Research, Writing, & Advocacy) with all 75 of these people. The acoustics in the classrooms could be better.

The people are a good mix. It is certainly overwhelmingly Catholic (71%) but they don't slap you in the face with it. They have Mass three times a day, but no one is forced to attend. I think the average age of this class is 25, and the people represent 49 states, so they're coming from all over the place.

The courseload is pretty heavy; this semester I have Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, Research, Writing, & Advocacy, and Moral Foundations of the Law. The Socratic method isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be--all of my professors use it, but they have a good sense of humor (for the most part), as well.

Let me know if you have other questions. As of now, I'm very pleased with my decision.


Thanks for taking the time to answer.  I am intriqued by Ave Maria.  However, I worry about the lack of a huge alumni network etc.  Still the faculty is impressive.  I actually would enjoy the catholic component I think.  I would love to go to a school where it wouldnt be absolutely taboo to discuss morality issues.  Where do most students live?  What was orientation like?  Decent social environment?  Any idea how genorous Ave Maria is in terms of financial aid? 

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: In need of serious advice
« on: August 31, 2005, 05:54:19 AM »
Hugh-

I do apologize for the slight condescending remark I made earlier.  However, I still stand by my earlier statement - do not waste your money.  At this point in the game for the 2006 cycle, you should just focus on the personal statements, optional essays, LORs etc.  Even if you were able to attain the ever-elusive 160 your average would still be 151.  You should play up the positives hope that a school lets you in basedon soft factors.  Moreover, pray that since you are lower than the 25th percentile, they may have pity on you and accept you since they no longer report your score to lsac.  Taking the LSAT more than twice (even two times like myself) can show that you originally took the LSAT when you were ill prepared to do so.  While many (such as myself) can argue that the first exam was just an extreme outlier, you on the other hand don't have that luxury.  By taking it again you risk proving the first two scores are actually "true" and the third was the outlier. Best case scenario you get the 160, however you have just proven that you never took the exam seriously the first 3 times and went in unprepared-or the adcom still sees the 160 as the outlier. Not one of these outcomes help your case.  Cut your loses.  Apply now with the LSAT scores you have.  Add some lower tier 4 schools in and wish for the best.  If you don't get in now.  Wait three years so these scores that are "below your potential" will not be a factor.  Instead spend three years learning how to beat the test and then reapply.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: In need of serious advice
« on: August 31, 2005, 12:20:53 AM »
I really don't think success in law school is the issue-- passing the bar is the issue for a poor standardized test taker according to the asst dean of admissions at Wake Forest  I agree with Twarga, quit now.  Apply.  If not, retake exam and apply in 07 or 08.  If you are forced to apply next cycle hire a tutor with a PROVEN track record. If you have a killer PS that demonstrates analytical ability and a command of the english language (which some of your posts make one wonder) then you stand a shot at some of your schools.  Make sure the school knows you're committed to that state and have a desire to live there once you graduate.  If you get in, it will be on "soft factors".  I'd rethink applying to Stetson.  I don't think it is exactly the environment you'd enjoy.

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My apologies for high-jacking the thread... but Lane what do you think of Ave Maria?  Any concern that the overly Catholic affiliation will hurt job prospects?  What are your classmates like?  Facility?  anything else you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.  thanks.

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FSU is getting harder to get into than most think... I had higer GPA and higher LSAT and was waitlisted/rejected


FSU is just protecting the yield.  i'd guess the adcom thought that even if you were accepted you would go a higher ranked school that would accept you.  Therefore while they may deny you, they might accept OP banking on the fact that higher ranked schools would pass on him/her.

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i agree no shot at all at UF.  Don't waste the money. I slightly disagree about FSU, you may have a shot off waitlist given they dont report students under the 25% mark.. as for the other schools:

UB:possibly
NYLS:possibly
Albany: accept
American:deny
Catholic:deny
Hofstra: possibly
Syracus:possibly
Vermont:possibly
Widener:accept

i'd say you'll be accepted to two of your schools outright and waitlisted or denied at the others.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Purpose of Yale 250 help!
« on: August 27, 2005, 01:17:55 PM »
I wrote about how in Louisville, KY you either bleed blue or red. 

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