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Well, I was looking through the bar exam application, and you have to specifically fill out a form authorizing your law school to release your information in the purpose of evaluating your character.  So it's not like there are organizations that can just swarm in and get your info willy nilly, you have to give express authorization.

I imagine they could be forced by a court to divulge the information, but they would have to have a good reason - and at that point there's nothing to say they couldn't go after your medical records as well.  I would think this through (and perhaps check with the law schools), but I really think this is kept extremely private.

No but the Bar can... and thats the only real issue.  is how is it viewed by the bar.. and unfortunately i cant find a 100% answer.  I've heard people say its a problem it kept out so and so or I've heard people say its not a problem.  I'd warn someone especially this OP to err on the side of caution and keep his illness undisclosed.  If he doesnt admit it now -- there is no paper trail and the bar has no right to request dr records.. so he wouldnt have to disclose the OCD later on where it may affect his chances of bar approval.  besides as far as the OP is concerned I think its an unwise decision as well given his age etc...

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I think for someone over the age of 30, there are more important things to talk about than 1 disability.  It's not crippling he doesn't have any grades to explain away.  A LSAT addednum would be more appropriate. At his age, the main thing the adcomms are going to want to know is why change careers, are you still capable of excelling in the classroom, what motivates him etc.  The problem is not just if the adcomms have an outdated or uneducated view of OCD but how that illness is viewed by the aba.  why own up to having a mental illness if it could possibly come back and bite you on th a$$ later?  Furthermore, if the OCD is under control then the OP's new LSAT score should blow the old one out of the water.  He should just explain it away as a freak occurence due to illness or other extenuating circumstances.  hoever if he continues to score that low, then bringing up the ocd would cause some adcomms to question if the OCD is in reality "under control" and what effects the OCD will have on finals, bar exam etc.




I think you have to write about yourself, and if OCD is a big part of your life, you can't ignore it.  I think pointing out challenges are good, the adcomm wants to see your reaction to difficult circumstances - you must have contrast if you want to truly emphasize the good things that have come out of your situation.

I would say hope for the best regarding the adcomms having any stigmas - you can also talk about your struggle against what people think, point out the difference between what people *think* OCD is, and what you specifically struggle with.  Struggling against stereotypes is an admirable trait, seems like an interesting spin.

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sorry if this is rude.  honestly, the tests have gotten harder in some  ways: different question types etc; I think your previous score is irrelevant.  Did you go fishing for a disability after the lsat meltdown?  My advice is still the same never actually document any mental disorder in the personal statement.  I still question how it is used come the fitness and character section of bar.


Hi All- really hoping to get some good opinions here.

First some background:  I'm 38 and was recently rediagnosed with ADHD w/an Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (severe enough to adversely affect my everyday life).  As a child, I was diagnosed with "hyperactivitiy" and associated learning disabilities.  However, this did not prevent me from studying my arse off in secondary school and making honors almost every year (college was more of a 'social event', though).  A successful career ensued, and I chose to ignore my condition (turned off by so many others around me who used their conditions to further their careers).

I had a total meltdown within the first five minutes of the 6/04 LSAT- the best I can do now is the high 140's (however, I was satisfied with my performance on the 1989 LSAT- 61%).  This, and other events caused me to seek psychiatric help which uncovered these new diagnoses that I've managed to suppress for years.

The ADHD diagnosis is fairly common and acceptable to most adcoms.  However the OCD, which is my real hurdle (Xanax and therapy are doing wonders) might make the adcomms think that I'm unfit for law school (this is the real deal, not the obsesssive-compulsive characterizations that some joke about).

So- should I mention in my PS that I have

1)ADHD
2)ADHD with an associated anxiety disorder or
3)ADHD with an Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder?

Please vote- mature/empathetic responses are very welcome!

Thanks!

N.



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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duquesne University
« on: October 23, 2005, 02:12:29 AM »
I fall it "doo-fuss-cane" or "doo-quiznos" but thats just me.

LOL that's harsh.  duquesne actually has a really interesting dual degree program with CMU. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.53/159 in the NE Region
« on: October 23, 2005, 01:15:18 AM »
albany syracuse widener suffolk psu duquesne pitt (would be a reach) pace uconn (reach) american catholic temple hofsta and villanova

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Law School Applications / Re: Fordham
« on: October 21, 2005, 07:46:38 PM »
most with no credit can get educational loans through groups like access... secondly there are educational loans out there that do not factor in medical debts. So either you haven't fully begun to research your options yet, or you are taking dramatic license to drive home a point.  Either way, a schools unwillingness to "cosign" a loan has absolutely no bearing on whether that school's resources nor is it any indication of their willingness to have "poor" in the school.  There are poor people with good credit who will get educational loans.  Don't confuse credit history with wealth. 

What about people with no credit who can't get loans? They wouldn't be able to attend either.

My situation is that I have never once been late for a bill, even though I've had them since I was 16 (I was declared legally independent very early in my life). In fact, up until I was almost 19 I had PERFECT credit.. but one day I was hospitalized, and have not been able to pay the bill fully yet. Does that make me a credit risk? Fordham definitly thinks so.

I think it speaks a lot of the school if they unwilling or unable to loan people money with less than stellar credit to attend. Either they don't have the resources (which probably means they are lacking other resources I would find helpful) or they just don't want to "poor" people to attend.

Luckily, I was only looking at Fordham as a safety.

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Law School Applications / Re: Fordham
« on: October 21, 2005, 03:57:34 PM »
if adcomms really do read this board, i have a feeling that a certain admissions representive might get booted shortly

Law schools are NOT banks.  They don't have the resources to be either -- why should the "co-sign" on a loan when a student has a less than stellar credit history?  If the student is an ieal candidate why wouldnt they wait a year clean up their history and reapply.  Sorry I just don't see what he/she did that would warrant a dismissal.

It may be so that law schools are not banks - but other law schools I have spoken with (Northwestern, Harvard, Berkeley, and a few more) have strictly told me that they will give you a loan through their school if you cannot get a private one. Why? They believe if you are admitted, they want you to attend, regardless of your credit history, and they know that with a degree from their school you will EASILY be able to pay off the loan.

The feeling I got from Fordham was that they really don't have much confidence in their degree and the money you can make from it (hence, they still consider you a credit risk even after getting their JD while other schools do not)


I disagree.  The schools you mentioned are the minority, the elite and the ones with the most money or a large state system to back the loan process.  Overall, the majority of law school do not have this policy.  I also do not think it shows lack of confidence in their degree but rather a judgement of personal characteristics that they want in students.  Again, one could argue it's misplaced and erroneous.  also if one (and i am not saying you have.. there are a multitude of reasons why people have financial troubles) has continually lived beyond ones means -- why does a successful legal career mean they will finally live within their means and make timely payments?

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Law School Applications / Re: why did i do it...
« on: October 21, 2005, 03:43:11 PM »

  I'm going to have to agree with most here. I scored 770 on the GMAT. I took a long hard look at that career path and came to the conclusion that I would rather spend eternity in the 7th circle of hell rather than the 9th. Law school it is.

 

LOL.  thanks for the laugh. 

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Law School Applications / Re: Fordham
« on: October 21, 2005, 03:40:58 PM »
if adcomms really do read this board, i have a feeling that a certain admissions representive might get booted shortly

Why?  You are getting one person's retelling of the story.  But more importantly, what did he say that was so wrong or so unexpected?  Everyone knows that EA/ED is just a farce.  The best candidates are admitted (those who would have been admitted anyway)  the bad are rejected and everyone in between is deferred to the regular application pool.  As for the credit worthiness comment -- Law schools are NOT banks.  They don't have the resources to be either -- why should the "co-sign" on a loan when a student has a less than stellar credit history?  If the student is an ieal candidate why wouldnt they wait a year clean up their history and reapply.  Sorry I just don't see what he/she did that would warrant a dismissal.

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i spent 15 on one.. 75 on the other.  of course the other was also my mentor, thesis chair, etc.  So i bought that one an awesome coffee table book of jazz photography that i knew he would totally dig.  Seeing as how it was sort of a thank you for rec letters and thesis help etc. Plus I know I'll keep in touch with this professor for years.

Yet, i think in most cases a card and perhaps a box of godiva is fine if not above and beyond the thank you note most expect.

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