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Totally naive questions:

1. Is it possible to contact the firm's recruiter and find out what it prefers?
2. Would it be the worst thing in the world to do both?

I'm obviously not an OCI person as I have been on a particular public interest track throughout LS.  Nonetheless, I did once work at an organization that did job fairs for (competitive) summer internship positions, and I think we would have been happy to give a little advice like this prior to an interview.

I'm going through this same issue right now.  I got a grip of interviews from the Chicago Diversity Fair, but I didn't get my interview schedule until after our bids were due for OCI.  There's a good chance that I may have 7 double interviews.  I don't know what to do.

For the other poster going through the same situation, I can give you one anecdote.  My friend said he got callbacks from tons of firms at a job fair that had rejected him at OCI.

I'm really considering just doing them at both.

Thanks for chiming in, t L.

Can you clarify bolded for me? By "rejected", do you mean he was not selected for interviews from the firms after the bidding process, or do you mean that he received ding letters from them after interviewing at OCI?



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My schedule was the same (but 5:45-7:45pm).

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That's interesting.  So they affirmatively selected you for the BLSA spot?  Normally, I would say go through OCI, but if they saw your resume and such and selected you for the job fair, then perhaps it would be better to go to that.

Hi Alci,

Why would you normally say go through OCI?

Normally I would think pre-select would be the best option, but I've been given three opinions that have me leaning slightly toward OCI:

1. An Associate friend who was an interviewer last year recommends OCI.  According to him, the firms ask minority associates to conduct the interview sessions. In his experience, the associates are asked to let the hiring partner/committee know if there were any candidates worth considering. But in effect, it was more of a pre-screening and the associate would have to sell the candidate to the hiring partner rather than straight up initiate a call back.  I think I may prefer the direct mode if this is generally the way it's done.

2. My career advisor recommends doing the OCI interview and mentioning that I was selected in the other job fair.  Not so sure about this...I can't even think of how that would be brought up or the purpose of mentioning it. Plus, I get the sense that my career advisor shoots from the hip when answering questions.

3. A Friend dealt with this a few times last year. She recommends the BLSA fair interviews.  She was able to secure several call backs through the NEBLSA and MABLSA fairs. However, her bidding approach and target markets were very different from mine..

Maybe I'm over-thinking all of this, but this economy has me a bit shook and I feel the need to strategize as much as possible to maximize my chances.

Miss P, I think it is pretty practical advice (that I obviously hadn't though of) to give the recruiters a call. Thanks!

Sands, please do let me know if you are able to recall how students typically handle this. 

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I completely agree with the previous post (particularly RE "work twice as hard").

As for "be[ing] a great mom," there will often be times when you will miss out on quality time with your child(ren) or you will feel like a half ass parent. It is during those times when it is important to remember that you are still "being a great mom" by demonstrably achieving goals you set out for yourself that may benefit your family as well. It may also be the case that you will find yourself having to remind your partner of this during times of turmoil.

I have four children (12, 11, 5, and 3), and just completed two years of law school while working full-time. It is possible. Extremely difficult, but possible.

Can I be a great mom to a 3 year old and be a successful Law student? Anyone have this experience? I am married and will have my husband to help as well.

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To those that have gone through OCI -

If you land interviews with a firm through both regional BLSA job fair and OCI bids, which one would you opt to cancel?

Factors I'm considering: 1) regional BLSA bid is selective vs. OCI random lottery at my LS; and 2) from what I observed last summer, regional BLSA job fair interviewers were predominantly associates vs. OCI interviewers were predominantly partners. 

Also, are there any other recommended factors I should take into account? 

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2L job search / Re: Loyola patent program
« on: July 31, 2009, 01:30:18 PM »
Nice outcome, falsemarking, Dikaia and girlathome.  I'm also curious - all of the students I mentioned above (including myself) bid strictly on DC firms.  Did you focus your bidding on one particular market?

And good luck! (in case any of you are interviewing today)

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2L job search / Re: Loyola patent program
« on: July 01, 2009, 01:13:07 AM »
Hi people

Does anyone know anything about this summer interview program?
If so, can someone tell me about the success rate?

Hi rene_decartes,

I'm interested in hearing how your bids turned out.
I have a similar MS degree (T14, LR, decent GPA) and was 0 for 23 on bids. I only know three other students at my school that applied.  One has an MS in Biotech and was 0 for 30. Another has a BSEE and is a student associate at a patent firm. He only received two.  The last is a rising 3L, and I think there were only 3 firms interviewing 3Ls.

It looks like it was a tough bidding process this year. Did you get any hits?

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Word. A lot of the old heads left, and there hasn't been enough new blood to replace them.

<-- Old head, still lurking from time to time.

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While I procrastinate further instead of writing my seminar paper...

Y > S = H: I've always gone to large schools and would like the opp to try out the small class setting.  All else equal I would probably nudge toward Stanford over Harvard just for location.

Columbia = NYU > Chicago: I'd rather freeze my ass off in NY than in Chicago.

Penn > Virginia > Boalt > Michigan

Georgetown > Northwestern > Duke = Cornell:  Georgetown because so far so good.   


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's & Current Black Law Students
« on: November 28, 2008, 07:29:53 PM »
Right, I co-sign to what A said on the experience.  I was an ME for the law review at my school and getting a titled position was a pretty big deal within the journal, for reasons I didn't understand fully until I got into the practice. 

Our law review was basically divided into 2 halves in terms of production. We had the Articles Editors who would actually READ 100's and 100's of articles and recommend which articles we should publish.  To me, I didn't have that much time to read articles in depth b/c of some other commitments like BLSA and the like, and I was one of the rare breed who actually liked blue booking, so being a Managing Editor was right up my alley because the ME's on our law review basically took the articles recommended by the AE's, and assigned them out to the 2L slaves staff members to work on.  The 2L's would blue book and cite check the articles through several rounds, and at the end of each round I basically had to double check their work.  Fortunately, the 2L's who made law review tend to be fairly accurate with their blue booking and somewhat diligent with pulling sources so it made my job pretty easy to be honest.  I basically came in, took their work, fine tuned it, ran it past the EIC for a final review and then shipped it out to the publisher, lexis and westlaw.

As far as time commitment we published 4 times a year so whenever we got close to a publishing date it got hectic but that's to be expected. Aside from that, not too bad.  Again, I had a good staff so it helped out a lot. 


Why so (@ bolded)?  B/c of level of responsibility?

Our board is divided similarly but the "executive" editors review the 2L work so I imagine the responsibilities of the ME fall more in line with what Alci described.  We publish 6 issues per year  (oh joy!  :( ).



Why so what exactly?

LOL, sorry...forgot to bold the statement (obviously).

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