Law School Discussion

what casebooks are you using?

I know most students who enroll in summer courses at places like NYLS, where they need to "proove themselves" in order to gain admission, find it very, very difficult to get a respectable grade. Are the summer courses at Toledo like that? Or do these summer classes for the transitional programs turn out to be a little more humane?? I'd be afraid to find myself in a sick contest for survival after finishing the first semester!

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Oh no, this program is like once you're in, you're in. The only reason you take summer classes is to catch yourself up to graduate within 3 years and it's better to do it your 1L summer, then to wait till your 2L summer because you will be working then.  It's not like a trial thing.  It's just 2 classes less than the full load your first semester. I haven't heard anyone really complain about just having 3 classes. The 2 summer classes will be on the same curve as all other first year classes. The only way they ask you to leave is if your gpa falls below a 2.0 after your first two semesters and that goes for everyone.

I don't like this transitional thing one bit. It basically forces you out of getting a summer associate position after your first year. Instead, we are stuck taking classes over the summer.

Anyone else think that this transitional program could end up messing up future chances at employment? I can't imagine sitting in front of a potential employer after my 2nd year, and when he asks what I did during my first summer, I'd have to say "I needed to take classes to get caught up!"

If I told Toledo I don't want to be in their transitional program - and I'd accept an offer to a full-time schedule, do you think they would give in?

There aren't many students that score summer associate positions after their first year.  Most volunteer their time somewhere if they want to do something law related.  I know of at least 3 upper classman that did absolutely nothing with their summer after 1L and still got a good summer position. The time to be stressed about interviewing and summer associate positions is your second year.  It's all about grades. You take 2 classes in the summer, so you could easily volunteer somewhere for a few hours a week to have something to put down on your resume.  The transitional prog. isn't a huge deal here since there are a lot of people in it.  I know a few 2Ls that that were in the transitional program their first semesteser and have hadn't had any trouble finding work for their 2L summer.  Employers aren't going to grill you about the transitional program....they care about grades.

UT=what?

IP rankings mean very little. Do you havea  technical degree?

I think UT= University of Toledo

Has anyone out there figured out a way to parse future interests? I'm struggling specifically with the difference between the condition subsequent that marks a vested remainder subject to divestment, and condition precedent that defines a contingent remainder subject to condition precedent. What makes a condition precedent and not subsequent?  It's inexplicable, I tell you.  Any help would be appreciated.

Condition precedent- something that has to happen before the person can have a vested interest (ex. "if B reaches age 16, then to B") Notice B has contingent remainder (because of the condition precedent "if B reaches age 16") until he turns 16.

Condition subsequent- is where something has to happen to defease (take away) the interest. (ex. "To B, unless B marries C.") Notice here B is getting a vested remainder subject to a condition subsequent. The CS is if B ever marries C then the interest is taken away.

I always ask:
Is it going to an unaccertainable person (ex. unborn children or something like "to A's heirs" but A is still alive so the heirs are therefore unaccertainable)  OR is there a condition precedent?
If there is either an unaccertainable person or a condition precedent, then it's a contingent remainder.

And if it's not a contingent remainder, then it's gotta be a one of the 3 types of vested remainders.